I got there at the end of the keynote, that might be just the right time depending on your preference. What I heard was sgi is adhering to the open source requirements for specific products, they mentioned numerous times that with out it, their enhancements won't even be considered. Linux is a strategy for them only on the INTEL platform. Repeat, ONLY ON THE INTEL PLATFORM. IRIX will maintain it's position on the MIPS. Clustering: Presentation was OK, nothing spectacular. Personally don't remember much worth wasting the bandwidth over... XFS The SGI XFS is available at oss.sgi.com , no registration nada zip, just d/l it, it's 21mb with a 1.6mb patch. I untarred it, viewed the readme, but ran out of time to install today, so maybe this weekend..... The XFS is "free", while thier advanced CXFS will cost, and with hardware cost alot, the CXFS is definately meant for heavy data serving environment. Internet/E-commerce; Practically nothing of value here, as der hans said, I'm sure the presenter was knowledgeable, but it didn't come thru at this presentation. He showed numerous slides with various patches/hacks/.conf configurations, but no meat and potatoes here. ( definately not like the zope presentation was). Very disappointed in this one...and the fact that they cancelled the security seminar...but given the quality of the last seminar, maybe it was a good thing.... Saw a few plugger's there, Kevin O'connor got a Tux toy for admitting in public he knew something about java programming, Hans got one for a mention of IRIX at thelinuxstore.com (who the hell is thier cto anyway? probably some slacker!! ;) ) Anyway, they had a programming track, which i didn't attend so can't comment on.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com