\_ and the little bit I have learned about the difference between DENY \_ & REJECT is that REJECT will end the discussion because it sends a \_ message back but DENY makes it look dumb and disguises the nature I think I'd like to differ with you on that. | charybdis scripts:1:776} telnet scylla 23 | Trying | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused | charybdis scripts:1:777} telnet scylla 415 | Trying | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused I've got 23 blocked by REJECT, and nothing is on 415...looks the same, remotely. Whereas DENY will say something else, I think. Or connect briefly, then hose you. I wanted it to look to certain folks that nothing was there. David