At the risk of sounding overly critical (which is not my intention), don't you find it ironic (perhaps it's deliberate??) that you have included your ICQ# in your sig in an email which discusses Paranoia regarding corporations? Let me quote a bit from their web page ... "About ICQ" "ICQ Inc., the successor of Mirabilis Ltd. was created when America Online acquired all Mirabilis' assets on June 1998." Austin PS - I just enjoy good irony once and a while. On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 06:17:37PM -0700, Jim W wrote: > Just after reading the posts about those two machines being rooted, I saw an > ad for On-Star. Perhaps because I was thinking about the cracks, my mind > wandered like this...first they put devices in cars so that they can 'help' > you, even going so far as to know who you are and where you are... next they > offer to embed these 'devices' in your child, just so that you can be able > to locate the child should he/she become lost/kidnapped...eventually we live > in a country where Big Brother knows where every one of its subjects is at > all times. > > The fact that this device is available from a corporation (GM, to be > specific) worries me even more. This is supposed to be a government of, by, > and for the people but it is looking an awful lot like a government of, by, > and for the corporations lately. > > Jim > ICQ9460467 > the future is now > > > > _______________________________________________ > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Austin Godber godber@asu.edu