Just after reading the posts about those two machines being rooted, I saw an ad for On-Star. Perhaps because I was thinking about the cracks, my mind wandered like this...first they put devices in cars so that they can 'help' you, even going so far as to know who you are and where you are... next they offer to embed these 'devices' in your child, just so that you can be able to locate the child should he/she become lost/kidnapped...eventually we live in a country where Big Brother knows where every one of its subjects is at all times. The fact that this device is available from a corporation (GM, to be specific) worries me even more. This is supposed to be a government of, by, and for the people but it is looking an awful lot like a government of, by, and for the corporations lately. Jim ICQ9460467 the future is now