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On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 02:43:46 PM MST, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv1142443239"><div><div class="yiv1142443239">I’ve worked at plenty of places that are more like what you’re saying about FB, but they weren’t working on ISO 900x and CMMI certifications.<div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div class="yiv1142443239">I was simply reflecting on the fact that we’ve got a lot of national Headquarters for companies here in the Phoenix area that ARE working on these certifications, and this has a certain depressing effect on wages when their goal is to make people in the same roles interchangeable. That’s what these efforts are all about — minimizing risk and reducing costs.</div><div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div class="yiv1142443239">They’re turning programming into a far less creative endeavor. That requires a more mechanized approach and less variability among workers.</div><div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div class="yiv1142443239">Maintenance programmers are simply required to take a bug ticket submitted with a documented way to reproduce the error and fix it without altering any other code.<br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"><div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"><div class="yiv1142443239">-David Schwartz</div></div></div></div><div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class="yiv1142443239"><div id="yiv1142443239yqtfd12994" class="yiv1142443239yqt4430544315"><div class="yiv1142443239">On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Ryan Petris <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ryan@petris.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ryan@petris.net" class="yiv1142443239">ryan@petris.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="yiv1142443239"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class="yiv1142443239">I can't say I've worked anywhere as strict as that, however I'll say that like any other career field, there are good and bad work places. Places that like to overly restrict things are going to lose good developers, and likely don't pay well to begin with.<br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class="yiv1142443239">I worked for Meta/Facebook for a year before I got laid off last year, and I'll say that it was very much not like this. While you had regular projects and whatnot going on, you were free to make changes you thought were necessary or good changes to make. Now I didn't work on anything public facing, as I'm certain there are certain controls on making changes to what users can see, but otherwise any change just required approval from any other developer, and it would make it into production 6 hours or so later.<br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div></div></div></blockquote><div id="yiv1142443239yqtfd91588" class="yiv1142443239yqt4430544315"><div><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"><div class="yiv1142443239"><div class="yiv1142443239"><div class="yiv1142443239"><br clear="none" class="yiv1142443239"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt4430544315" id="yqtfd14218">---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">PLUG-discuss mailing list: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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