<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated, however my reasoning for not wanting one are:<br></div><ol><li>I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can bring to the table.<br></li><li>Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest of the company, I want us to be recognized for that <i>and</i> compensated appropriately.<br></li><li>I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new company because I'm the new guy.<br></li><li>I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due to their performance but are effectively being protected by the union.<br></li><li>I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing political games that I don't care about.<br></li></ol><div>There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of national salaries, you're not in a position to need one.<br></div><div><br></div><div>All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in Arizona, and therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local Market.<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div class="qt-ydp2a6c7b8eyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in AZ?<br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="qt-yahoo_quoted_4747206273" class="qt-yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div>On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley <trent.shipley@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div id="qt-yiv8628188208"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters and software development options. <br></div><div><br></div><div>It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places."<br></div></div><div><br></div><div id="qt-yiv8628188208yqt64347" class="qt-yiv8628188208yqt9056739934"><div class="qt-yiv8628188208gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-yiv8628188208gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:gjzegan@yahoo.com">gjzegan@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-yiv8628188208gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Wow!<br></div><div dir="ltr">thanks.<br></div><div dir="ltr">sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="qt-yiv8628188208m_2441698544136262209yahoo_quoted_4928667350"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38, 40, 42);"><div>On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div id="qt-yiv8628188208m_2441698544136262209yiv8218661155"><div dir="ltr"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ">https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ</a><br></div></div><div>---------------------------------------------------<br></div><div>PLUG-discuss mailing list: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br></div><div><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div>---------------------------------------------------<br></div><div>PLUG-discuss mailing list: <a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>