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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">hello,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> There is some truth to the subject matter.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I will leave it up to each of you to decide.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><a href="https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/replacement-cover.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/ageing/replacement-cover.pdf</a><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Social scientist now know you need at least 2.0 kids per couple in order for a civilization to survive.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">No country in Europe is having more than that per couple. In some cases less than 1.0 child per couple.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">For an empire to survive in one politician's words you need "blood and treasure."</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The American Empire is grasping at anything to survive.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">BRICS will have currency backed by gold. Bankers love a healthy ROI.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Putin has a PHD in economics.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Fear does strange things to a person.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Love of money does as well.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Europe survived after the fall of the Roman Empire using the theory of <span>Subsidiarity.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style=""> <br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div>
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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 08:04:12 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">About 15 years ago while living in Tucson, I made a posted about H1B and <br clear="none">Gabrielle Giffords to the Tucson Free Unix list (now shutdown). As I <br clear="none">recall she wanted to expand the H1B system.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I was met with hostility and one guy went as far as to ask if I were <br clear="none">afraid of more qualified people. Yikes!! Talk about cutting your own <br clear="none">throat.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">These systems only make politicians rich and it is at the expense of all <br clear="none">of us.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What good does it do to hire offshore for pennies on the dollar? Some <br clear="none">or most of that money goes back home and one more American is left under <br clear="none">employed because they end up doing something like level 1 at GoDaddy. <br clear="none">AND that American is less likely to afford what that H1B visa company is <br clear="none">making. These programs hurt our economy.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I had a guy make a comment on my YouTube channel that he has responded <br clear="none">to numerous job post and does not even get a response. I assume most of <br clear="none">the problem is the slowing economy (also Gov. created).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I lived through super high inflation in the 70's and 80's. It effected <br clear="none">me and unbeknown to me it became baggage.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">By the way, these types of posts are a product of poor leadership at all <br clear="none">levels of Government.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I've been on this list since 1999 or so. Everyone on this list has <br clear="none">helped me a lot. I've had tons of questions along the way and have <br clear="none">received lots of help - thank you all.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think this list can offer more. As a group we have needed change for <br clear="none">several decades.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Lots of folk are taking about the pending extreme downturn in the <br clear="none">economy, supply chain issues, food shortage, etc. Some say we are headed <br clear="none">for a great depression economy.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">While this list started as a technical support group and still is, maybe <br clear="none">it is time to look at helping people become self trained and help them <br clear="none">learn how to help themselves.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm 67 and have seen a lot. I spend 4 years in the USMC, 9 years as a <br clear="none">cop and lost two colleagues in the line of duty, I created myself a job <br clear="none">by becoming a freelance PHP developer. Maybe that is why I am such a big <br clear="none">mouth. Went toe to toe with John McCain and he called me a jerk. Made <br clear="none">the news.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm at a point where I think I have seen enough to have some idea what <br clear="none">is going on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I was hoping by this point in my life I would be watching the grass <br clear="none">grow, spend some time working on my old RV, and enjoy owning a classic <br clear="none">muscle car. In stead I am dealing with double digit inflation for the <br clear="none">second time in my life.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I want to effect change. I am increasingly becoming aware that is what <br clear="none">my YouTube channel is all about.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It breaks my heart to see what is coming to America for you young men <br clear="none">and women.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 2023-07-17 04:21, Samuel Carter via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">> I’m with Der.Hans.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:04 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss<br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and<br clear="none">>> arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for<br clear="none">>> my current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric<br clear="none">>> Snowden type of security breaches.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how<br clear="none">>> government-backed, guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of<br clear="none">>> education, and how the government should have never gotten involved<br clear="none">>> with it and they shouldn't have nationalized it, but I won't :)<br clear="none">>> Funny you should mention the competition. I had a friend from<br clear="none">>> Singapore who had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and<br clear="none">>> then to the US for her Graduate because she couldn't get into<br clear="none">>> college in Singapore.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this<br clear="none">>> country, but I work with people who have no college, and some of us<br clear="none">>> have Graduate degrees. For the field I'm in, one could self-learn<br clear="none">>> and avoid college. And as I retrain for my next career, I have also<br clear="none">>> returned to college and am becoming very disillusioned. The<br clear="none">>> curriculum is teaching tool sets rather than concepts, and at this<br clear="none">>> point, I can pick up some vendor training and certifications for<br clear="none">>> free and some 4-day industry workshops for the same price as a 3<br clear="none">>> semester hour class. So why should I go to college?<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Regards,<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> George Toft<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved<br clear="none">>> the job more than you since they would do the same work for less<br clear="none">>> money? Also, why would an American be better at the job than<br clear="none">>> someone from anywhere else? Or are you saying you are better than<br clear="none">>> most of your peers in general, you're part of the 20% of your<br clear="none">>> profession who generate 80% of the value. I mean the competition to<br clear="none">>> get into a third-world government university is fierce, especially<br clear="none">>> if it's ranked. The selectivity of admission rates match MIT and<br clear="none">>> Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a<br clear="none">>> population should outperform their European, and even more their<br clear="none">>> American competition.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors<br clear="none">>> Degrees<br clear="none">>> willing to work for minimum wage.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Case in point. My employer is required to post HR crap in the<br clear="none">>> public<br clear="none">>> spaces (break rooms). One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was<br clear="none">>> providing a DBA for $66K/year. Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the<br clear="none">>> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr). My kids make more than that<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> with a High School education. This is what the young people are<br clear="none">>> competing against, so why go into this field?<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Another case in point. My job got outsourced to Argentina and the<br clear="none">>> resources were getting $6/hr. I later heard it got raised to<br clear="none">>> $10/hr.<br clear="none">>> That was still 1/4 of what I was making. Even if the Argentinians<br clear="none">>> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50%<br clear="none">>> over<br clear="none">>> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost<br clear="none">>> savings.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Regards,<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> George Toft<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">>>> On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance<br clear="none">>> it's<br clear="none">>>>> just someone drumming up support for something. In this case,<br clear="none">>> we'll<br clear="none">>>>> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new<br clear="none">>> fabs<br clear="none">>>>> get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was<br clear="none">>> working at<br clear="none">>>>> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most<br clear="none">>> of<br clear="none">>>>> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that<br clear="none">>> worked<br clear="none">>>>> with professionals. Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an<br clear="none">>> interview<br clear="none">>>>> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting<br clear="none">>> enough<br clear="none">>>>> workers. At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to drive<br clear="none">>> down<br clear="none">>>>> labor costs. And with the halts for new housing going out, there<br clear="none">>> is a<br clear="none">>>>> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.<br clear="none">>>>> <br clear="none">>>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Are you getting too paranoid? Maybe not. I quit following the<br clear="none">>> news<br clear="none">>>> because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and working<br clear="none">>> on<br clear="none">>>> the real problems.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think they<br clear="none">>> are<br clear="none">>>> necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then why<br clear="none">>> is<br clear="none">>>> there not a few major tech universities? Why does Gates exploit<br clear="none">>> the<br clear="none">>>> H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do the<br clear="none">>>> politicians allow all of this?<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we not<br clear="none">>> do<br clear="none">>>> things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten<br clear="none">>> where<br clear="none">>>> they came from.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> QUESTION?<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is<br clear="none">>> located<br clear="none">>>> in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for<br clear="none">>> that<br clear="none">>>> technology?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>>> <br clear="none">>>>> <br clear="none">>>>> <br clear="none">>>>>> <br clear="none">>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss<br clear="none">>>>>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>>>>> <br clear="none">>>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read<br clear="none">>>> that<br clear="none">>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John<br clear="none">>>>>>> Wilkes Booth.<br clear="none">>>>>>> <br clear="none">>>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">>>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they<br clear="none">>>> are a<br clear="none">>>>>>>> sweatshop....<br clear="none">>>>>>>> <br clear="none">>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none">>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none">>>>>>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br clear="none">>>>>>> 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