<div dir="ltr">they want over $200 for a paperback book?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 2:44 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">What about this book for a starter:</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Shell-Script-Programming-Meadors/dp/0619159200/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17G30RXKOVSVK&keywords=linux+shell+script+programming+book&qid=1671781328&sprefix=linux+shell+sc%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Shell-Script-Programming-Meadors/dp/0619159200/ref=sr_1_1?crid=17G30RXKOVSVK&keywords=linux+shell+script+programming+book&qid=1671781328&sprefix=linux+shell+sc%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-1</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">try and find it on <a href="http://abebooks.com" target="_blank">abebooks.com</a> for better price</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=9780619159207&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results&ds=20" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">9780619159207 - AbeBooks</a><br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_8107054452935965938ydp680a2869enhancr_card_1944479147" style="max-width:400px;font-family:YahooSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=9780619159207&sts=t&cm_sp=SearchF-_-topnav-_-Results&ds=20" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,0,0)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px"><tbody><tr><td width="400"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224,228,233);border-radius:2px"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#000000" valign="top" height="175" style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0);background-size:cover;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width:100%"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="transparent" valign="top" style="background-color:transparent;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px"><table border="0" height="175" style="width:100%;min-height:175px"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align:left;padding:15px 0px 0px 15px;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:16px;font-weight:600">$251.83</span></td><td style="text-align:right;padding:15px 15px 0px 0px;vertical-align:top"><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:rgb(255,255,255);width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228,233)"><tbody><tr><td style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);padding:16px 0px 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0px 0px 0px 2px"></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:YahooSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0px 0px 2px"><h2 style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:YahooSans,"Helvetica Neue","Segoe UI",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,34,40);max-width:314px">9780619159207 - AbeBooks</h2><p style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,158,168)">Linux Shell Script Programming by Meadors, Todd and a great selection of related books, art and collectibles ava...</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 12:10:05 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_8107054452935965938yiv3997657059"><div><div dir="ltr">That would have been the early 80's. When BASIC was not owned by Microsoft, when it was spelled BASIC for whatever compiler you used, and it had line numbers, and GOTOs. I started programming in a gifted program with a dumb impact printing terminal with an acoustic coupler you stuck a phone handset into to network over the public switched telephone network after I got into a gifted student's class in 5th or 6th grade. I didn't get a CS major in college because you had to travel between central Kansas liberal arts colleges for classes and I didn't have a car, so I majored in math instead, and never have broken into the software or IT world, really. But now I'm getting close.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>In those days you started with Logo or Turtle, or maybe BASIC, and then started seriously studying programming with Pascal, then you learned C and later complained that they didn't put you on a Unix machine working with C starting in CS105. We had no idea how awful things were compared to what would come.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Trent</div></div></div><br clear="none"><div id="m_8107054452935965938yiv3997657059yqt79181"><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:51 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">trent shipley via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:26:18 -0700<br clear="none">
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