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<p>Yes I know the FCC auctioned off what were tv channels and cell
phone companies paid for them. From having lived in rural areas
of Arizona for much of my life, I can say from experience that the
UHF channels from Phoenix didn't reach out into rural areas very
well. At one time Phoenix had tv stations on 15, 21,33,45, 61 and
several other low power stations. My point was that frequencies
once used for television are now being used for cell phone
service, including 5G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/22 12:58, David Schwartz via
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The UHF TV channels were hardly used, mainly for servicing rural
areas. Large densely populated areas did not use them. And the FCC
tended to allocate the lower-end frequencies first. So not many
people got exposed to the upper-band emissions.
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<div class="">None of this airspace was “given away” to anybody.
The FCC has public auctions from time to time, and has raised
several billion dollars in leases for these licenses. Each
license is for a local geographic area; to get similar band
frequencies in multiple areas, companies must bid on them
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<div class="">T-Mo bought Sprint in large part b/c of the big
swaths of licenses they had been sitting on that complemented
T-Mo’s existing infrastructure. And in the most recent auctions,
hardly anybody placed any bids, so T-Mo/Sprint captured the
lion’s share of the licenses being auctioned at a significant
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<div class="">T-Mo has been rolling out their Home Internet
for a few years now. I’ve had it since not long after it
launched on 4G and it’s the best service I’ve ever had. But
its availability has been restricted until recently. In the
zones where they’d offer it, it worked well. But since they
opened it up to everybody, there are zones where it does not
work well. A friend of mine just tried it out and it didn’t
work for him, so he returned the device the next day. I had
the same problem with Sprint’s phone service at one place I
lived, and other carriers’ cell service elsewhere. </div>
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<div class="">There are lots of “blind spots” for EVERY
carrier where their service doesn’t work. At least T-Mo
knows this and they are really great about taking back the
equipment and cancelling the service. I once got a cell
phone at Costco and Sprint service, and as I said it did not
work at my home. That turned into a nightmare b/c while
Sprint was happy to cancel the service, the marketing
company selling it at Costco refused to take the phones back
and refund anything. It wasn’t either Sprint nor Costco,
just some jerk-ass vendor who hada no-return /
no-cancellation policy that they weren’t up-front about, and
Costco didn’t seem to care at the time.</div>
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<div class="">But I’m very happy with my T-Mo Home Internet,
mainly b/c the only other option I’ve got is Cox, and it
kept going down when I had it b/c the equipment was old and
they kept prioritizing newer areas to upgrade. I have been
getting flyers from CenturyLink for years about how they’re
installing fiber in the area, but it always stops 1/4 mile
away. I guess they just don’t have enough customers in my
subdivision to make it worth their while.</div>
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<div class="">The Good News is T-Mo installed a new 5G tower
1000 feet south of me and it beams a signal right into this
neighborhood. It’s way stronger than the old 4G signal I was
getting from AT&T. It’s always a crap-shoot with these
folks.</div>
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<p class="">What the carriers are calling 5G is a
portion of the 5G standards that don't provide the
high speed service that the mmwave tech does. For
the last 40 years, the FCC has been handing over
to cell phone companies chunks of spectrum that
previously were reserved for over the air
television. Until some time in the 80s, the top
tv channel was 83. Then it was reduced to 69
with 70 - 83 given to cell phones. Later they did
it again with the highest tv channel being 51.
More recently the government again gave channels
38-51 to the cell phone carriers. Currently the
top tv channel is 36. 37 is reserved for radio
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<p class="">I laugh when I read something about
these moonbats who go on about 5G signals being
hazardous to human health. They've been exposed
to those frequencies for decades when they were
used for television.<br class="">
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My guess is that T Mobile's service went down the
crapper because people signed up for it, they
don't have the capacity to handle the demand
customers are placing on the network and either
are unable to correct the problem or unwilling to
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<div class="">Thanks for the feedback, though
that really bites. Reminds me of Sprint
wireless broadband circa 2001 using fixed
antennas, it was great at first, but then only
in the middle of the night, as it sucked
entirely during the day as it couldn't deal
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<div class="">I'm not surprised, real 5g using
mmwave technology is really only decent to
around 700ft or so, as I've used a few
products for fixed wireless point to point or
multipoint as well. It's also what drives
ultrawideband technology used by apple now
pervasively, marketed as a "personal area
network" for short range optimized use. It's
simply not *good* as a wan technology.</div>
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<div class="">That said, carriers use 5G
generically whether they're talking real
mmwave 5G or just some enhanced version of 4G
they can't market anymore unless they call it
5G too, so who knows what you're really using.<br
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<div class="">My customer is starting to use 5g
in a large local 1100-some store retail chain
to get off the last remnants of the last of
old T1's and other crap rural broadband
providers as the only choice until now, it'll
be interesting to see how they fare here and
other region markets in the long run.</div>
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<div class="">A while back I gave impressive
stats and glowing praise on my switch
to T-Mobile Home Internet. It had a
few limitations that I had to work around,
but it was fast. However, for almost a
month now it has dropped to just above T1
speed most of the day and is pretty much
useless. I'll be switching back to DSL,
which unfortunately is my only other
option where I live.</div>
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