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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hello,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Good question. Where can you get a good CS degree on a budget?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">India? Europe? North America?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">thanks,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Greg</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 07:27:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 2022-08-22 00:17, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">> Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody<br clear="none">> caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz<br clear="none">> and abc” to get hired for stuff.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">I consider a CS degree as an engineer. Those who follow this path can <br clear="none">do things the rest of us cannot do like create parsers, compilers, and <br clear="none">interpreters. Am I wrong?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm a programmer. I do not have the skills of a CS degree holder. You <br clear="none">(David) can do lots of neat things that I cannot. I think your niche is <br clear="none">smaller if you want to do engineering class work.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I had a love/hate relationship with IT for a long time because I <br clear="none">struggled to find adequate W2 employment. I had to become a freelancer <br clear="none">to rise to my potential, and that could be a book.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I bet you could spend a couple months learning Kotlin, put up a website <br clear="none">and do freelance Kotlin development.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have read articles that say freelancing will take over the world in <br clear="none">the future. As companies start to realize they only need a core of <br clear="none">employees supplemented by freelancers, then that will become the norm.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It has been my experience that small businesses mostly hire freelancers <br clear="none">and have no IT staff.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">> I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working<br clear="none">> hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure<br clear="none">> Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some<br clear="none">> doors in the not-too-distant future.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/" target="_blank">https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/</a><br clear="none">> [2]<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it<br clear="none">> would make Kotlin, the<br clear="none">> statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed<br clear="none">> by JetBrains, a first-<br clear="none">> class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since<br clear="none">> then, Google took this a<br clear="none">> step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing<br clear="none">> Android apps in 2019 — and<br clear="none">> while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming<br clear="none">> the default way to build<br clear="none">> apps for Google’s mobile operating system.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android<br clear="none">> written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers<br clear="none">> with even 6 months of experience with it.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> -David Schwartz<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <scroll><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss<br clear="none">>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> David,<br clear="none">>> You provide a bunch to think about.<br clear="none">>> What does this have to do with Linux? We are on a Linux list and I<br clear="none">>> would guess most are not going to retool.<br clear="none">>> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some<br clear="none">>> simple<br clear="none">>> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of<br clear="none">>> chaos.<br clear="none">>> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like<br clear="none">>> to.<br clear="none">>> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP.<br clear="none">>> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades. Eventually<br clear="none">>> it<br clear="none">>> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around. I think a<br clear="none">>> person<br clear="none">>> could make a career being a COBOL developer.<br clear="none">>> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux<br clear="none">>> admins and the associated technologies?<br clear="none">>> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com [1]<br clear="none">>> HTML/CSS<br clear="none">>> subsite in<br clear="none">>> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who:<br clear="none">>> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web<br clear="none">>> presentation, regardless<br clear="none">>> of higher layer tools used,<br clear="none">>> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course,<br clear="none">>> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will<br clear="none">> be continued demand for this type of learning. I think the<br clear="none">> Universities will dry up. It might take a while. Looks like a year<br clear="none">> at ASU is almost $13,000<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year " target="_blank">https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year </a>[3] Who can afford<br clear="none">> that?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester<br clear="none">> at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and<br clear="none">> it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just<br clear="none">> 12 years prior.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree<br clear="none">> was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long<br clear="none">> gone. I think employers are looking for just skills.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I think self study is big today. And if the economy does crash I'm<br clear="none">> thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought<br clear="none">> and might just be more inclined to be using Linux.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> If what I am hearing and reading is that the economy is going to crash<br clear="none">> and inflation is going to stay at 10% for the next 10 years, I think<br clear="none">> the world will look and feel a lot different 10 or 12 years from now.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> So doing what you are doing, Steve, should pay dividends for years.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Links:<br clear="none">> ------<br clear="none">> [1] <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=BhNbhdbDS7xKBhDf7NQZqchNygmyB1zvx5Tv7LBq0VbOEz4w1v0JqMJ3zzedGfoqnHka_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUnWX3xWLJ-2BNqYG6T-2B8N93M88Pr7ebIlVoylZt-2FGe30NdjNsGHG54qA-2B2cMPBb9xuP1Nehj8oKHqCJyv0VUYIRJ-2FjuC8z6XnH0koiM2GN4fYM1QEoihv4H55gB8HbENiVO3soy593HLsUcdSij85MdPc-3D" target="_blank">https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=BhNbhdbDS7xKBhDf7NQZqchNygmyB1zvx5Tv7LBq0VbOEz4w1v0JqMJ3zzedGfoqnHka_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUnWX3xWLJ-2BNqYG6T-2B8N93M88Pr7ebIlVoylZt-2FGe30NdjNsGHG54qA-2B2cMPBb9xuP1Nehj8oKHqCJyv0VUYIRJ-2FjuC8z6XnH0koiM2GN4fYM1QEoihv4H55gB8HbENiVO3soy593HLsUcdSij85MdPc-3D</a><br clear="none">> [2] <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfM-2BUnniUctgTPwX-2FlDxhYyeMTgN-2BdD3hvSAtgSC8-2BRfKCMc6cc2WxMRhF814RaHy3oXxHVzK1uM31jlPF7z0kpx1nMUGgIt8fUag0bximYHe52wY_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqnuSCdeTFXZB9VQP8tD9lzJWs62MxiJYjy68EmRCr74SD75f9JIV1Tvr-2FdK32-2F7GODHaKbFnZzPgryAof4Qy5rm-2Fb413pY-2BCrEPrleX7oa0T1uLeJXYkL945F62o84PbFqBg9yxe5l8VslRGmKTjyQ-3D" target="_blank">https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfM-2BUnniUctgTPwX-2FlDxhYyeMTgN-2BdD3hvSAtgSC8-2BRfKCMc6cc2WxMRhF814RaHy3oXxHVzK1uM31jlPF7z0kpx1nMUGgIt8fUag0bximYHe52wY_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqnuSCdeTFXZB9VQP8tD9lzJWs62MxiJYjy68EmRCr74SD75f9JIV1Tvr-2FdK32-2F7GODHaKbFnZzPgryAof4Qy5rm-2Fb413pY-2BCrEPrleX7oa0T1uLeJXYkL945F62o84PbFqBg9yxe5l8VslRGmKTjyQ-3D</a><br clear="none">> [3] <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfBtqHyAW5P9502IxPgTLptwZ4M-2BvUvH4NfFa-2BHBF3yE4ENXVsXRFrwmmYx4XfSYcuw-3D-3DVH5F_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqve6Mn2lIfr2de3-2B4tqDGIk9HH20O7FaDTHnQZa3lHZbJvSOxkxvQja7QIOjkZnlN8NG9Kz4aXOCF4ImHK847s8yPrhkWetOML6xQ8AYd5i9rvuuV2LwOu2bhLDrvcuEKeSe8P4Upl-2Fe1Ij06495SQ-3D" target="_blank">https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfBtqHyAW5P9502IxPgTLptwZ4M-2BvUvH4NfFa-2BHBF3yE4ENXVsXRFrwmmYx4XfSYcuw-3D-3DVH5F_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqve6Mn2lIfr2de3-2B4tqDGIk9HH20O7FaDTHnQZa3lHZbJvSOxkxvQja7QIOjkZnlN8NG9Kz4aXOCF4ImHK847s8yPrhkWetOML6xQ8AYd5i9rvuuV2LwOu2bhLDrvcuEKeSe8P4Upl-2Fe1Ij06495SQ-3D</a><br clear="none">> ---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none">> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><div class="yqt6824848392" id="yqtfd46760"><br clear="none">---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></div></div></div>
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