<div dir="auto">While this is true, perhaps we could be more considerate of those who prefer not to engage in political discourse and retain their heads buried in the sand while the world changes around them. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We should also move our legendary battle to a dark alley and let our psu power cord nun-chucks and circuit board katanas do our arguing for us. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ronin Matt</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 8:16 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Like it or not, politics drives everything in our world.</div><div dir="ltr">especially technology.</div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 10:39:07 AM EDT, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_3739948760914545443yiv1772578287"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Ugh, these pseudo political/religious threads are best served elsewhere, perhaps create a plug-politics group so the CNN vs. Fox News crowds to argue in. Otherwise, can we just go back to technology and not how much the world sucks these days? Tired of checking the list for new updates with this drivel, if I wanted politics, I'd hit a <strike>cancerous</strike> mailing list built for it. <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>-mb</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div id="m_3739948760914545443yiv1772578287yqt70466"><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br clear="none">
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In spite of my beliefs that there is no global warming I would like to <br clear="none">
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