<div dir="auto"><div>No. No one who has experienced the freedom found in America will willing trade places worth someone living under communist rule. Otherwise we would see a mass exodus of communist sympathizers to communist countries. 2060 Americans most likely will figure out a different solution than your doom and gloom. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those sound like reasonable actions for you to take. Allow others to measure their own reasonable decisions, even if those decisions end up with energy intensive computer hardware. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 12:21 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Matthew Gibson said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 11:56:48 -0700<br>
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>And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like Venezuela or<br>
>Cuba.<br>
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And if you have your way, 2060 Americans would gleefully trade places<br>
with today's Venezuelans or Cubans.<br>
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>Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and society,<br>
>what can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?<br>
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The preceding is a good question, one that I and every other person<br>
needs to consider and answer.<br>
<br>
Already I use LED bulbs everywhere, I drive my 2.0 liter Jeep less than<br>
8000 miles a year, I run my summer thermostat at 78 farenheit. That's<br>
the starting point.<br>
<br>
Due to this discussion I've been watching my activities. I currently<br>
use purified cold water from the fridge to make my hot tea. That's<br>
stupid: I need to find a way to filter water without refrigerating it.<br>
<br>
I can get better attic insulation. This costs quite a bit of money, but<br>
it's the right thing to do and will save money in the long run.<br>
<br>
I can keep my backup server turned off except when doing backups. I<br>
already do this most of the time: I could do it all of the time.<br>
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I can get my ceiling fans repaired/replaced so we can run the<br>
thermostat at 79 or 80 degrees.<br>
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I'll continue contemplating your question. It's an excellent one.<br>
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SteveT<br>
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