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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The irony is the United States and the West in general was suppose to be against tyranny and centrally planned economies and governments. At least that is what I was told growing up. U.S.S.R. and Russia bad. America good. We have now become what the Soviet Union was. Tyrannical and oppressive. Free Speech? Only for me and not for thee. </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Rule by oligarchs. 30 years of war. Mass immigration without assimilation. That is what destroyed ancient Greece and will eventually destroy us. </div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 10:16:07 AM EDT, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv6269276118"><title></title><style type="text/css">#yiv6269276118 p.yiv6269276118MsoNormal, #yiv6269276118 p.yiv6269276118MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}</style><div><div>While I don't necessarily agree with the law, I think it may be blown out of proportion. What it's actually restricting is the quiescent current (the amount of power a circuit/device uses when effectively turned off) of a device, not the full-load power, and the allowable amount actually increases as more powerful components are added.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Jays Two Cents explains it pretty effectively: <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fc5ZX6Kzk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fc5ZX6Kzk</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6269276118yqt1849469702" id="yiv6269276118yqt20670"><div>On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, at 3:01 AM, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote id="yiv6269276118qt" type="cite" style=""><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>greg
zegan via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:16:27
+0000</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>(UTC)</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs</a></span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>></span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Allow
me to change the headline of this article to...</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>"Six
States Responsible Enough to Limit Computer Power
Consumption"</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Anyone
prioritizing their video game performance over the starvation,</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>water
wars, crop failures, climate refugees, underwater cities,
deserts</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>replacing
farmland, and normalization of cat 5 hurricanes that will</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>surely
come if we don't handle this situation correctly, is an
ethical</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>cripple.</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>And
anyone, who just has to have that superburner computer, of an age</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>not
likely to live until 2060 is just borrowing on a future they
know</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>they
won't repay.</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>And
it's not like you can't wait 4 years and have a computer using
a</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>couple
hundred wats that performs like today's 1000 watt
gargantuan.</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>SteveT</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Steve
Litt</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Spring
2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Technologist <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques</a></span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">mmmmmm No, I reject your attempt at
gas-lighting the discussion away from liberty infringing regulations.
I reject your blithe attempt to validate power hungry government
attempts to slowly curtail the freedoms of Americans.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">All of those crises can and will be addressed
by private industry and not by some pencil pushing bureaucratic
cubicle rat. The Federal Government (one could also include state
governments) will never ever be able to address problems faster than
private industry will be able to. Look into FEMA’s response to
hurricane Katrina back in the late 2000’s as a prime example. Look
into that same </span>organizations<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;"> response to Puerto Rico and their recent
natural disaster.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">The climate changes. Humans need to adapt. To
think that we can hold back change of this magnitude is hubris. We
need to take better care of our things. Yes. But we also need to take
care of ourselves while we do that. You think a family in India, or
Africa is going to give a hoot about a 2 degree C increase in global
temperatures over the next 100 years? I suggest you rethink that
methodology if you do. Those families are only concerned about where
their next meal will come from.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">Anyone who wants a superburner computer and has
the capital to spend on it should be able to purchase it, and then
also worry about how they will power it. It is unethical to restrict
another human’s right to their pursuit of happiness so long as that
pursuit doesn’t directly infringe on another’s right to life,
liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">I think it’s an amazing thing that technology
makes such marvelous advances in such a short time. Not a reason to
limit someone else’s liberty at this date.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Aaron
Jones via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:04:58
-0700<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> >Those are some dangerous statements.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Dangerous
statements? What, are my statements going to insurance rates</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>going
up?</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a27180829/global-warming-is-already-costing-the-insurance-industry-historic-amounts/" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a27180829/global-warming-is-already-costing-the-insurance-industry-historic-amounts/</span></span></span></span></a><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Insurance rates? Why is that even being brought
up? It’s a problem for the insurer and the insuree to discuss. If
the insurer doesn’t like the risk of insuring someone’s hair
brained idea to build on the coast as the coast recedes….. sounds
like a problem for the person with the hair brained idea to build
where climate change is going to destroy their hair brained idea.
Only dangerous to that person…</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"></span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Perhaps
my statements could cause an increase in annual
hurricane</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>energy:</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-11-18-top-10-most-extreme-hurricane-seasons-2020" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-11-18-top-10-most-extreme-hurricane-seasons-2020</span></span></span></span></a><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Oh,
I know. My statements are dangerous because they caused 20 years
of</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>drought
to the farmers in Western
Colorado:</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.cpr.org/2021/07/23/western-slope-drought-cattle-ranching/" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">https://www.cpr.org/2021/07/23/western-slope-drought-cattle-ranching/</a><br clear="none"> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;">It
must be nice to be able to wave your hand and claim adverse weather
as proof to support your theories of what is dangerous. Here’s a
theory you can prove: living is dangerous and fraught with risk at
all points of life. </span></span></span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I
wasn't discussing China, but since you brought it up: Why in
the</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>WORLD
should China go through the inconvenience of reducing
carbon</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>emissions
and all forms of pollution if the US doesn't reduce energy</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>use
everywhere it can: Cars, airplanes, trucks, busses, lightbulbs,
and</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>yes,
computers?</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Why should China reduce their carbon footprint?
Maybe because they are the worst offender of greenhouse gas
emissions? Maybe because Their reduction of emissions will actually
do more for your cause than severely hampering America’s economy
will? How many days did they need to shut down their industry leading
up to the 2008 Olympics for clear skies?</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">List
of countries by greenhouse gas emissions - Wikipedia</a></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">if you don’t like Wikipedia, maybe this site? </span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-country" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">Greenhouse
Gas Emissions By Country 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)</a></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span>of course, you should
probably take most of these reports with a grain of salt. Who knows
if they are valid and genuine? </span><span><b style="">Shrug</b></span></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"></span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Now
I'll admit that those Dell Alienware computers, which from
their</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>components
sound like they're about 500 watts at full use, don't
sound</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>excessive.
And 20mpg highway didn't sound excessive in 2000 either, but</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>now
it does, because these laws and regulations forced car</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>manufacturers
to increase their gas efficiency, and now breathing in LA</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>is
a lot easier, and we're not as close to the tipping point as
we</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>otherwise
would have been.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> > But if you are war<br clear="none"> >hawking
here and trying to bait us into a pollution debate so you can<br clear="none"> >get
everyone to do the whole “war with China thing…” then you got
my<br clear="none"> >reply and I admit I got baited.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Whoaaa, war
with China? Huh? Where'd THAT come from?</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;">War with China… came from a place
more realistic than pointing to increased Hurricane seasons and
Rainfall in Colorado… The only way China is going to curtail their
economic development is by direct global action in the form of
military might.</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Meanwhile,
I'd be interested in hearing your age. I'm 71, so I don't</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>have
a dog in this fight: I'll be safely in my grave before this thing</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>is
more than an expense (hurricane insurance and repairs, higher
food</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>prices)
and an annoyance, but my kids will be around long enough that,</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>if
we play this wrong, they'll be impacted by climate refugees,
water</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>wars,
famine-causing drought, the whole bag of horrors. That's why I</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br clear="none"> </span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>don't
get indignant when they tell me how much power to use.</span></span></span></span><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;">Ooooo look! An appeal to
experience. Aside from an attempt to browbeat us young
whipper-snappers into silence… Why is your age even a discussion
point?</span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Eric
Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:22:33 -0700<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> >It
is also interesting that those very same states that push EV’s
also<br clear="none"> >have not upgraded their power systems in quite some
time. California<br clear="none"> >is the leader on this list of shame with
rolling blackouts and<br clear="none"> >brownouts each summer.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I
think this is unfair to California. Much of California is the
hottest</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>in
the US. Greenhouse gasses are created by everyone, but California</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>can
least afford to gain a degree. California is also the most</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>populous
state in the nation. So in spite of EV's and all their other</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>moves
to limit environmental damage, they can't reduce the heat
that</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>radiates
or blows into California, so they can't keep all their</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>citizens'
houses below 85 Fahrenheit. Hence the rolling blackouts.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;">No.
Not unfair to California, their power grid is their responsibility to
maintain. If they fail to plan for the future and prepare for dry
seasons and update their infrastructure, their rolling brownouts are
on them. No where else has had this problem even though California is
not the only one affected by increased temperatures. California needs
to take better care of their things. Plain and simple.</span></span></span></span><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><br clear="none"></span> <br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >
They also want to put up more windmills, off</span></span><br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >shore! Talk
about throwing good money after bad and causing those of</span></span><br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >us
with computers that are capable of running linux no end of
trouble.</span></span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:12pt;"> I'm not sure how windmills cause havoc with
Linux. I thought that was</span></span></span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>done
by Microsoft.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>California
could sure use more fission reactors, but in a place where</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>7+
earthquakes are frequent, doing so is just too likely to
cause</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>another
Chernobyl. Plus, anything near the coast is likely to go</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Fukushima
with a tsunami. They don't have a river capable of generating</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>huge
power from its current. They can't import from surrounding
states,</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and
back in the day, when they imported from Texas, the Texan
power</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>companies
stiffed California's power grid in order to make a
bigger</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>profit.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>So,
other than solar, wind and conservation, I don't see what
other</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>options
California has.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">First.
Chernobyl cannot happen in the West because we never built RBMK
reactors with a positive void co-efficient. We place reactors
inside containment vessels to help curtail fallout in the event of a
disaster. Attempt to invoke Chernobyl disaster as anti-nuclear
argument denied. Fukushima is more relevant because of California’s
relative location and geographical environment. That said. Nuclear
plants have only continued to become safer and more efficient. Safer
and more efficient than coal, gas, and maybe even “renewable
sources” Nuclear should be more seriously discussed as a viable
alternative power source.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>It
leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard.
Boo</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>hoo
hoo.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;">It
leaves us with our liberty just slightly more chipped away at. It
leaves us with a government emboldened to infringe on rights just ever so more. </span></span></span></span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>What's
this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>energy
equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>people,
equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the equivalent
of</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>18,684
million barrels and has 328 million people, equaling 56.9</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>barrels
per person.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> </span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">See
above discussion on China’s CO2 production. Oil is only a part of
that carbon footprint. Go do more research.</span></span></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>So
here's the question: If some country using almost triple the
energy</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>per
person than your country says *you* are the problem and should
cut,</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and
they won't do squat until you cut, what would you say to them?</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Question
invalid. Communist Dictatorships don’t give a hoot what outsiders
say. Unless that speech is in the form of military might bearing down
on said dictatorship. </span><br clear="none"></span> <br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>You
ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves
you</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>having
lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it leaves you</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>with
a very hard (and probably considerably foreshortened) second half</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>of
your life. If you were just born today, by the time you
graduate</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>college,
the world will be rife with climate refugees and water wars,</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and
by the time you're 50, if you last that long, the population</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>decline
will be brutal and pretty universal except for the very rich.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>All
because everybody in 2021 said the other guy should cut his</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>emissions
first.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> </span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Life is hard.
Always will be. There will always be something new to be a risk.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br clear="none"><span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>One
more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according
to</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>them
the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as those</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>of
the EU.</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>I
feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who
play</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>at
a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for
their</span></span></span><br clear="none"> <span style=""><span class="yiv6269276118font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>grandchildren.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Your feigned sympathy just undermines your attempts at argument for your cause of infringing on liberty. </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Final Analysis, You must hate the freedom Linux provides to its users and the liberty with which we may embark upon through its use.</span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Olive Branch: If you would like to meet up at a park where we can social distance and have a veggie burger while I grill up some brats, I'd be willing to bring the makings for a BBQ and we can discuss these details in a more civil manner than Keyboard Warriors. </span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br clear="none"></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="yiv6269276118size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="yiv6269276118colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Matt</span></span><br clear="none"></p></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6269276118qt-gmail_quote"><div class="yiv6269276118qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6269276118qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 22:53:09 -0700<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> >So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of<br clear="none"></div><div> >some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people<br clear="none"></div><div> >from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient.<br clear="none"></div><div> >Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real<br clear="none"></div><div> >science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave<br clear="none"></div><div> >us?<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> It leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard. Boo<br clear="none"></div><div> hoo hoo. <br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> What's this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the<br clear="none"></div><div> energy equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million<br clear="none"></div><div> people, equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the equivalent of<br clear="none"></div><div> 18,684 million barrels and has 328 million people, equaling 56.9<br clear="none"></div><div> barrels per person.<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> So here's the question: If some country using almost triple the energy<br clear="none"></div><div> per person than your country says *you* are the problem and should cut,<br clear="none"></div><div> and they won't do squat until you cut, what would you say to them? <br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> You ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves you<br clear="none"></div><div> having lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it leaves you<br clear="none"></div><div> with a very hard (and probably considerably foreshortened) second half<br clear="none"></div><div> of your life. If you were just born today, by the time you graduate<br clear="none"></div><div> college, the world will be rife with climate refugees and water wars,<br clear="none"></div><div> and by the time you're 50, if you last that long, the population<br clear="none"></div><div> decline will be brutal and pretty universal except for the very rich.<br clear="none"></div><div> All because everybody in 2021 said the other guy should cut his<br clear="none"></div><div> emissions first.<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> One more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according to<br clear="none"></div><div> them the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as those<br clear="none"></div><div> of the EU.<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> I feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who play<br clear="none"></div><div> at a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for their<br clear="none"></div><div> grandchildren.<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> SteveT<br clear="none"></div><div> <br clear="none"></div><div> Steve Litt <br clear="none"></div><div> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful<br clear="none"></div><div> Technologist <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques">http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques</a><br clear="none"></div><div> ---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none"></div><div> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none"></div><div> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none"></div><div> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div><div>---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none"></div><div>PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none"></div><div>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none"></div><div><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="yqt1849469702" id="yqt08577">---------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br clear="none">To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></div></div>
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