<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>While I don't necessarily agree with the law, I think it may be blown out of proportion. What it's actually restricting is the quiescent current (the amount of power a circuit/device uses when effectively turned off) of a device, not the full-load power, and the allowable amount actually increases as more powerful components are added.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Jays Two Cents explains it pretty effectively: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fc5ZX6Kzk">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5fc5ZX6Kzk</a></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, at 3:01 AM, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>greg

zegan via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:16:27

+0000</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>(UTC)</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>><a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs</a></span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>></span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Allow

me to change the headline of this article to...</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>"Six

States Responsible Enough to Limit Computer Power

Consumption"</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Anyone

prioritizing their video game performance over the starvation,</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>water

wars, crop failures, climate refugees, underwater cities,

deserts</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>replacing

farmland, and normalization of cat 5 hurricanes that will</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>surely

come if we don't handle this situation correctly, is an

ethical</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>cripple.</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>And

anyone, who just has to have that superburner computer, of an age</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>not

likely to live until 2060 is just borrowing on a future they

know</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>they

won't repay.</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>And

it's not like you can't wait 4 years and have a computer using

a</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>couple

hundred wats that performs like today's 1000 watt

gargantuan.</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>SteveT</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Steve

Litt</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Spring

2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the

Successful</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Technologist <a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques</a></span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">mmmmmm No, I reject your attempt at

gas-lighting the discussion away from liberty infringing regulations.

I reject your blithe attempt to validate power hungry government

attempts to slowly curtail the freedoms of Americans.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">All of those crises can and will be addressed

by private industry and not by some pencil pushing bureaucratic

cubicle rat. The Federal Government (one could also include state

governments) will never ever be able to address problems faster than

private industry will be able to. Look into FEMA’s response to

hurricane Katrina back in the late 2000’s as a prime example. Look

into that same </span>organizations<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;"> response to Puerto Rico and their recent

natural disaster.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">The climate changes. Humans need to adapt. To

think that we can hold back change of this magnitude is hubris. We

need to take better care of our things. Yes. But we also need to take

care of ourselves while we do that. You think a family in India, or

Africa is going to give a hoot about a 2 degree C increase in global

temperatures over the next 100 years? I suggest you rethink that

methodology if you do. Those families are only concerned about where

their next meal will come from.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">Anyone who wants a superburner computer and has

the capital to spend on it should be able to purchase it, and then

also worry about how they will power it. It is unethical to restrict

another human’s right to their pursuit of happiness so long as that

pursuit doesn’t directly infringe on another’s right to life,

liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;">I think it’s an amazing thing that technology

makes such marvelous advances in such a short time. Not a reason to

limit someone else’s liberty at this date.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Aaron

Jones via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:04:58

-0700<br> <br> >Those are some dangerous statements.<br> <br> Dangerous

statements? What, are my statements going to insurance rates</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>going

up?</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> <br> </span><a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a27180829/global-warming-is-already-costing-the-insurance-industry-historic-amounts/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a27180829/global-warming-is-already-costing-the-insurance-industry-historic-amounts/</span></span></span></span></a><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Insurance rates? Why is that even being brought

up? It’s a problem for the insurer and the insuree to discuss. If

the insurer doesn’t like the risk of insuring someone’s hair

brained idea to build on the coast as the coast recedes….. sounds

like a problem for the person with the hair brained idea to build

where climate change is going to destroy their hair brained idea.

Only dangerous to that person…</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br></span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Perhaps

my statements could cause an increase in annual

hurricane</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>energy:</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> <br> </span><a href="https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-11-18-top-10-most-extreme-hurricane-seasons-2020" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-11-18-top-10-most-extreme-hurricane-seasons-2020</span></span></span></span></a><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Oh,

I know. My statements are dangerous because they caused 20 years

of</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>drought

to the farmers in Western

Colorado:</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><a href="https://www.cpr.org/2021/07/23/western-slope-drought-cattle-ranching/" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">https://www.cpr.org/2021/07/23/western-slope-drought-cattle-ranching/</a><br> </span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;">It

must be nice to be able to wave your hand and claim adverse weather

as proof to support your theories of what is dangerous. Here’s a

theory you can prove: living is dangerous and fraught with risk at

all points of life. </span></span></span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><br> <br> I

wasn't discussing China, but since you brought it up: Why in

the</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>WORLD

should China go through the inconvenience of reducing

carbon</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>emissions

and all forms of pollution if the US doesn't reduce energy</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>use

everywhere it can: Cars, airplanes, trucks, busses, lightbulbs,

and</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>yes,

computers?<span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);">  <p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Why should China reduce their carbon footprint?

Maybe because they are the worst offender of greenhouse gas

emissions? Maybe because Their reduction of emissions will actually

do more for your cause than severely hampering America’s economy

will? How many days did they need to shut down their industry leading

up to the 2008 Olympics for clear skies?</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">List

of countries by greenhouse gas emissions - Wikipedia</a></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">if you don’t like Wikipedia, maybe this site? </span><a href="https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-country" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128);">Greenhouse

Gas Emissions By Country 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)</a></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span>of course, you should

probably take most of these reports with a grain of salt. Who knows

if they are valid and genuine? </span><span><b style="">Shrug</b></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br></span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Now

I'll admit that those Dell Alienware computers, which from

their</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>components

sound like they're about 500 watts at full use, don't

sound<span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);">  <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">excessive.

And 20mpg highway didn't sound excessive in 2000 either, but</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>now

it does, because these laws and regulations forced car</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>manufacturers

to increase their gas efficiency, and now breathing in LA</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>is

a lot easier, and we're not as close to the tipping point as

we</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>otherwise

would have been.<br> <br> > But if you are war<br> >hawking

here and trying to bait us into a pollution debate so you can<br> >get

everyone to do the whole “war with China thing…” then you got

my<br> >reply and I admit I got baited.<br> <br> Whoaaa, war

with China? Huh? Where'd THAT come from?</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;">War with China… came from a place

more realistic than pointing to increased Hurricane seasons and

Rainfall in Colorado… The only way China is going to curtail their

economic development is by direct global action in the form of

military might.</span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Meanwhile,

I'd be interested in hearing your age. I'm 71, so I don't</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>have

a dog in this fight: I'll be safely in my grave before this thing</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>is

more than an expense (hurricane insurance and repairs, higher

food</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>prices)

and an annoyance, but my kids will be around long enough that,</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>if

we play this wrong, they'll be impacted by climate refugees,

water</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>wars,

famine-causing drought, the whole bag of horrors. That's why I</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><br> </span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>don't

get indignant when they tell me how much power to use.</span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(101, 9, 83);"></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;">Ooooo look! An appeal to

experience. Aside from an attempt to browbeat us young

whipper-snappers into silence… Why is your age even a discussion

point?</span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Eric

Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 21:22:33 -0700<br> <br> >It

is also interesting that those very same states that push EV’s

also<br> >have not upgraded their power systems in quite some

time. California<br> >is the leader on this list of shame with

rolling blackouts and<br> >brownouts each summer.<br> <br> I

think this is unfair to California. Much of California is the

hottest</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>in

the US. Greenhouse gasses are created by everyone, but California</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>can

least afford to gain a degree. California is also the most</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>populous

state in the nation. So in spite of EV's and all their other</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>moves

to limit environmental damage, they can't reduce the heat

that</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>radiates

or blows into California, so they can't keep all their</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>citizens'

houses below 85 Fahrenheit. Hence the rolling blackouts.<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"> <p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;">No.

Not unfair to California, their power grid is their responsibility to

maintain. If they fail to plan for the future and prepare for dry

seasons and update their infrastructure, their rolling brownouts are

on them. No where else has had this problem even though California is

not the only one affected by increased temperatures. California needs

to take better care of their things. Plain and simple.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><br></span> <br><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >

They also want to put up more windmills, off</span></span><br><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >shore! Talk

about throwing good money after bad and causing those of</span></span><br><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> >us

with computers that are capable of running linux no end of

trouble.</span></span><br> <br><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> I'm not sure how windmills cause havoc with

Linux. I thought that was</span></span></span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>done

by Microsoft.</span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>California

could sure use more fission reactors, but in a place where</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>7+

earthquakes are frequent, doing so is just too likely to

cause</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>another

Chernobyl. Plus, anything near the coast is likely to go</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Fukushima

with a tsunami. They don't have a river capable of generating</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>huge

power from its current. They can't import from surrounding

states,</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and

back in the day, when they imported from Texas, the Texan

power</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>companies

stiffed California's power grid in order to make a

bigger</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>profit.</span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>So,

other than solar, wind and conservation, I don't see what

other</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>options

California has.<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"> <p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">First.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the West because we never built RBMK

reactors with a positive void co-efficient. We place reactors

inside containment vessels to help curtail fallout in the event of a

disaster. Attempt to invoke Chernobyl disaster as anti-nuclear

argument denied. Fukushima is more relevant because of California’s

relative location and geographical environment. That said. Nuclear

plants have only continued to become safer and more efficient. Safer

and more efficient than coal, gas, and maybe even “renewable

sources” Nuclear should be more seriously discussed as a viable

alternative power source.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>It

leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard.

Boo</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>hoo

hoo.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;">It

leaves us with our liberty just slightly more chipped away at. It

leaves us with a government emboldened to infringe on rights just ever so more. </span></span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>What's

this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>energy

equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>people,

equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the equivalent

of</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>18,684

million barrels and has 328 million people, equaling 56.9</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>barrels

per person.</span></span></span><br> </span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">See

above discussion on China’s CO2 production. Oil is only a part of

that carbon footprint. Go do more research.</span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>So

here's the question: If some country using almost triple the

energy</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>per

person than your country says *you* are the problem and should

cut,</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and

they won't do squat until you cut, what would you say to them?</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Question

invalid. Communist Dictatorships don’t give a hoot what outsiders

say. Unless that speech is in the form of military might bearing down

on said dictatorship. </span><br></span> <br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>You

ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves

you</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>having

lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it leaves you</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>with

a very hard (and probably considerably foreshortened) second half</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>of

your life. If you were just born today, by the time you

graduate</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>college,

the world will be rife with climate refugees and water wars,</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>and

by the time you're 50, if you last that long, the population</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>decline

will be brutal and pretty universal except for the very rich.</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>All

because everybody in 2021 said the other guy should cut his</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>emissions

first.  <p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Life is hard.

Always will be. There will always be something new to be a risk.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(120, 3, 115);"><br><span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>One

more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according

to</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>them

the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as those</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>of

the EU.</span></span></span><br> <br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>I

feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who

play</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>at

a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for

their</span></span></span><br> <span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>grandchildren.</span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Your feigned sympathy just undermines your attempts at argument for your cause of infringing on liberty. </span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Final Analysis, You must hate the freedom Linux provides to its users and the liberty with which we may embark upon through its use.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Olive Branch: If you would like to meet up at a park where we can social distance and have a veggie burger while I grill up some brats, I'd be willing to bring the makings for a BBQ and we can discuss these details in a more civil manner than Keyboard Warriors. </span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%;background-image:initial;background-position-x:initial;background-position-y:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat-x:initial;background-repeat-y:initial;background-attachment:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-color:transparent;"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Matt</span></span><br></p></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 22:53:09 -0700<br></div><div> <br></div><div> >So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of<br></div><div> >some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people<br></div><div> >from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient.<br></div><div> >Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real<br></div><div> >science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave<br></div><div> >us?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> It leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard. Boo<br></div><div> hoo hoo. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> What's this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the<br></div><div> energy equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million<br></div><div> people, equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the equivalent of<br></div><div> 18,684 million barrels and has 328 million people, equaling 56.9<br></div><div> barrels per person.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> So here's the question: If some country using almost triple the energy<br></div><div> per person than your country says *you* are the problem and should cut,<br></div><div> and they won't do squat until you cut, what would you say to them? <br></div><div> <br></div><div> You ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves you<br></div><div> having lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it leaves you<br></div><div> with a very hard (and probably considerably foreshortened) second half<br></div><div> of your life. If you were just born today, by the time you graduate<br></div><div> college, the world will be rife with climate refugees and water wars,<br></div><div> and by the time you're 50, if you last that long, the population<br></div><div> decline will be brutal and pretty universal except for the very rich.<br></div><div> All because everybody in 2021 said the other guy should cut his<br></div><div> emissions first.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> One more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according to<br></div><div> them the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as those<br></div><div> of the EU.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who play<br></div><div> at a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for their<br></div><div> grandchildren.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> SteveT<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Steve Litt <br></div><div> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful<br></div><div> Technologist <a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques</a><br></div><div> ---------------------------------------------------<br></div><div> PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></div><div>---------------------------------------------------<br></div><div>PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br></div><div>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<br></div><div><a href="https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss">https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>