<div dir="ltr"><div>That's actually pretty decent, 2x m.2 disks, nice gpu, but still only 2x sodimm slots sadly. I don't think they do 64gb sodimm sticks in ddr4, so still stuck at 64gb with 2x 32gb.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Memory is always my largest problem, I still commonly OOM with 64gb of ram. Occasionally I would even OOM my 128gb desktop. Yeah, I *could* use less ram, but it hampers my ability to work with various customers and/or various technologies in the name of virtual appliances I commonly run for testing, tinkering, and learning.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:32 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">The Dell G5 5505 is the closest i have seen from one of the big box crew.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:01 AM Stephen Partington <<a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I would love that setup as well. This ThinkPad is the closest I have seen to date.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>My big wants are 4x sodimm slots for ram (ie. I can load it with 128gb ram with 4x 32gb sticks), 2x m.2 ssd's (raid 1), and 4k display with a decent gpu, at least better than intel integrated crap. Much like your beefy thinkpad, just without intel vs. nvidia weirdness that never works right anyways with a decent gpu, at least under linux. Something lightweight too akin to my xps15, I don't need a 10lb laptop to haul when I do go onsite with customers to install their networks in a data center. I'm old and it hurts now.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I figure in theory AMD + Radeon will work much more smoothly, and offer something better than typically shitty intel graphics or adding nvidia atop intel that requires prime that never works suitably. I don't game a lot, but with steam proton I was finally able to start playing decent games on my desktop before it died, my xps15's intel gpu just doesn't have the umph to deal, and prime is just a basketcase that usually crashes things to try.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:21 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">What would you call a decent ryzen laptop? I have seen several that i find very nice.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own <a href="https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html" target="_blank">real windoze license for under ~10 bucks</a> anyways if I have to.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Framework Newsletter</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:newsletter@frame.work" target="_blank">newsletter@frame.work</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM<br>Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!<br></div><br><br><u></u>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px">We’re excited to see the first press reviews go live for the Framework Laptop and the first orders land on your doorsteps today! With the FTC unanimously voting to enforce the Right to Repair just yesterday, our timing couldn't be better for delivering a great, high-performance, easy to repair product. There is a ton of amazing material to read and watch, with more coming in the next weeks. Some of our favorite quotes so far are:</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px">Reviewers loved the freedom to repair and upgrade, the Expansion Card system, CPU performance, keyboard feel, webcam quality, and more. Of course, inside of Framework, we gravitate towards the critical feedback that points us to where to do better. We take every bit of feedback seriously, and we want your thoughts as you start using your Framework Laptop. This lets us know where to focus for future improvements, whether that is for firmware updates, modules, or next products. A wonderful thing about our product philosophy is that improvements can go into replacement parts and upgrades that every existing user can pick up and swap to, rather than needing to wait around and pay for an entirely new product.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px">We’re grateful to each of you who have ordered already, and we’re looking forward to getting your Framework Laptop to you. Batch 1 pre-orders for July delivery continue to ship out from our warehouse each day. We’ll start Batch 2 shipments for August delivery soon after. We have a small number of Batch 2 <a href="http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQPACLvoO7tQ19BZpV42GWgYF8nXXJfeUtJg4f1doBtYvaI8DrlQtFME5viT-2BfspjF4ycBwgRCplL6fVZV2vSp-2Fs9-2BsY77tQwSORS-2F2ABPQ1e8YrL0r1IS-2FFY-2BnpEt5h2VKlRNkELz75cB-2BEvohqssF0g5n-2B-2BT2tOr9NGpN2lkUiz9wmcJd-2FgsxhnD7bzpq8Khe4d77P9NRHL-2BvkDPhkOdrlEsdtVYW-2BJRuHZkrJcm9LYobA-2FvP-2FwAs7iq2yBEmUqRj8CRdGCDKrwv-2BIgSJRPFM2U-2B4TmlugaA0yGf9He9dZ69h9GnKlScuFtdR-2F7sgFMHedNUzHSl2cseymqMb0CmcU-3DZqVE_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B5sYWelQvP408k8tTyYEUvZgikXALs5fkVuZwlGNAuM1NSlHrP2JOH4LXGSV4wKInokQEnQ9chP827JJ4k-2B2qX1hX6-2BkNvbALGJcmAo01C8EmQsdhFN5Ktps8O0FsYJQCxlHpMYQNMBxiLvR2-2Fu3LPo81ZA2b-2FLDRWnnfUGafU0CQ-3D-3D" style="max-width:100%;color:rgb(244,90,39);font-weight:normal;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Framework Laptop</a> and <a href="http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQPACLvoO7tQ19BZpV42GWgYhOdikvHfgCJXi-2FRHhc-2BrJrkAQqC49UCQeEiIvXWQSjmt9hrkfY-2F4pRjULkuCol16XWcyDGWRmheL0OdlvvHATnPGJfTbcJ2uWpQSsg3ECpmebD0N-2BWTanppH5lox5p0jOcw4vb7pcJYBVg3WScjYaaUVUbB-2BpACsFdlicnvYnN96o55QBZd-2BQEB3pfxRIELsihL-2FgyoxPbSsS22yQG4W0PlodJOkJ0wE55R9Bs6MeoplClSXlQliW2j8N6xwO-2FuJsQZAdn6XKLQ13lALjtNtHTqHP3LNm4BD-2FmzDNi3-2BWFo65eyN5j7lajFHwgIukjIpnD1KK8bB-2BEF8iZXJkikzhQ-gi_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B6sW9RcGVTdnzoO0d3yRn0uLvW9ltQQwhBcYkXfrtODzYEAYz-2BxiBz27WS0Vvn3hH7L58hXktomZPJuHFnkvF-2FX5l4H-2BsJArRCnxyOx3-2Bm5aPi5JXWTNgZ1bZJm5t2zSN-2BuCa4V0NIonZ3fAgXgUc-2Bu9nxQDJODNEE3DVFE6XS0ig-3D-3D" style="max-width:100%;color:rgb(244,90,39);font-weight:normal;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Framework Laptop DIY Edition</a> units currently available for sale, with just a fully refundable $100 deposit due today. If you pre-order now, some of you will be able to receive your order within 3 – 4 weeks.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px">As proud as we are of the Framework Laptop (and we’re extremely proud!), the greatest thing we have created over the last 18 months is the team that built it. It takes an incredible team to build an excellent product this complex and deliver it on time. We’re <a href="http://trk.klclick1.com/ls/click?upn=AA9MhPBkZCPNkFdCz8NmQLyZHqxbOaSQO9Uftg9lQNmJNQojLuprqgsQdWnzF4V1QxMLNc0PiN1-2BXIzEQuShKzT3kMKJsP9q-2B4X146ym-2Bda6JzJZ5Rl9rlrV5auIBQmEY5wUUap6CE-2BisKYe-2FIcvjqaJf41Cug6lG9d2ydXNj-2F9iDQRxzqzny9nqeDPmaTXw3L5yV1ECYYTvP1ZBMfMiK0pHu9l30R3sDB7DW4IzkJhBQrXPO1BB9WKHpK3oaHy-2FbcbpmrekL6SQ-2Brxiv0gDv-2BR-2BGw79nMMrhTi-2BRNzCcOKHxbfaBg9PzHS5sNfskuFBZ0-2FDlUAzDGvUK11QGhoScZhttj9diRSG7pAYtFSBg-2F8-3DqIva_vDhyrByJyj9jzFVVCWkYCwRhQWG0c5-2FFU0ssls-2BoBhXj6C5ihuOpiM-2BrrSpsAGGwGX5WTmeM-2FU9gwAaqtVHNNi-2F7HWnQTc1uM22M1aFjPwzwSYaQibvmegOPFLn0VAHQRJEtmfmlqyCdYG35OfqGQvyaR4z3tCtoOwNM-2F68X8yRhvv9y9S9lHmzlQVW4e-2F6eg7GEedbaUp73pQepbAXN5Y1qy4rngT9qHgDsi-2Fwbj-2B6YY94gO4wLjZt221JrHZzp7o9Y4wdudm6eiO-2Brqoya9GPrFb0aXnU-2Bd2uCN4Di0DksezEgrp0cJQ4K6ywTAvnNYfNKZLKCWSAwg6Xo1mlmhrVh-2FcBAyazVlgXGGMyRudB2GeWBfbVBaBcRcAAJbIR8qlo8Ip4BfnXGxNVacp6lUg-3D-3D" style="max-width:100%;color:rgb(244,90,39);font-weight:normal;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">hiring on all fronts</a> to continue developing the Framework Laptop ecosystem and initiate our next categories. Let us know if you know anyone who may be interested in helping us build products that are better for people and the planet.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding-bottom:0px"><b>— Nirav and the Framework Team</b></p>
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