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<p>Dreamhost is suffering a lot of security issues and they have
been getting their users blanket banned by "security" companies.
So every time someone forgets to update WordPress, your site is
going to end up on a Force point bulletin, and all your users are
going to get a big red "DONOTGOHERE" warning from Chrome. They
also provide no support for this, so you are on your own with
arguing with someone in Thailand that you don't deserve to be on
their malicious website list that inexplicably is being used by
the government to decide who is and who is not a bad actor.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/21 9:35 AM, Stephen Partington
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ms,sans-serif">I am curious, they have treated me very well
over the years.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:29
AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <<a
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<div dir="auto">Is Dreamhost a terrible abuser of privacy?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:24
AM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Please use literally anyone but
Dreamhost. </div>
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ms",sans-serif">I hit send too soon, All of
this hosting aside. I have 3 dedicated servers,
one is a dual Xeon server with 80-some GB ram,
it runs as a VM host for all sorts of things for
me. and 2 mac mini's one is a windows server (I
know but professionally speaking this is a good
thing for me to keep in touch with). and the
other is a linux server. they are a great
low-power solution. (look for older 2012 models
if you go this route)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23,
2021 at 8:09 AM Stephen Partington <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-family:"trebuchet
ms",sans-serif">For cost/efficiency, it
is hard to beat some of the online hosting
options. Dreamhost has a shared plan with
unlimited everything and a domain for 9 per
month (down to 3 for 1 or 3 years paid
upfront) 10 per month Ifor a VPS.</div>
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22, 2021 at 3:45 PM Brian Cluff via
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<div> I think you'll find that server of
yours used closer to $500 than $120.
Based on the 600watt number that you gave
your usage would look like this on SRP
right now under their normal flat rate
plan:<br>
<table cellspacing="0" border="0">
<colgroup width="192"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="85" span="2"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="171"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="275"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="261"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="297"></colgroup> <tbody>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Months</td>
<td align="left">Number of Days</td>
<td align="left">Kwh Cost</td>
<td align="left">Machine Load in
Kilo watts</td>
<td align="left">Cost per hour(KWH
cost times wattage)</td>
<td align="left">Cost per day(Cost
per hour time 24 hours)</td>
<td align="left">Total Cost (Cost
per time period)<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">May,
Jun, Sep, Oct</td>
<td align="right">122</td>
<td align="right">0.1091</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.06546</td>
<td align="right">1.57104</td>
<td align="right">191.66688</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Jul,Aug</td>
<td align="right">62</td>
<td align="right">0.1157</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.06942</td>
<td align="right">1.66608</td>
<td align="right">103.29696</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Nov,
Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April</td>
<td align="right">182</td>
<td align="right">0.0782</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.04692</td>
<td align="right">1.12608</td>
<td align="right">204.94656</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left">Grand Total</td>
<td align="right">499.9104</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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Even if you machine used half the power
you specified it would still be about
twice what you thought it was.<br>
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I always recommend that people don't use
their old computers when it comes to use
cases like using them for routers because
it's MUCH cheaper to buy something like a
PI or a dedicated router than it is pay
for power to feel a machine that uses
waaay more than you need to.<br>
With a raspberry pi under worst case
useage with it being use to 100% capacity
you'd only get charged $6.32 per year, but
it would most likely be closer to it's
idling cost of $2.82 for power:<br>
<table cellspacing="0" border="0">
<colgroup width="192"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="85" span="2"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="171"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="275"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="261"></colgroup> <colgroup
width="297"></colgroup> <tbody>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Months</td>
<td align="left">Number of Days</td>
<td align="left">Kwh Cost</td>
<td align="left">Machine Load in
Kilo watts</td>
<td align="left">Cost per hour(KWH
cost times wattage)</td>
<td align="left">Cost per day(Cost
per hour time 24 hours)</td>
<td align="left">Total Cost (Cost
per time period)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">May,
Jun, Sep, Oct</td>
<td align="right">122</td>
<td align="right">0.1091</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00082916</td>
<td align="right">0.01989984</td>
<td align="right">2.42778048</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Jul,Aug</td>
<td align="right">62</td>
<td align="right">0.1157</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00087932</td>
<td align="right">0.02110368</td>
<td align="right">1.30842816</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Nov,
Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April</td>
<td align="right">182</td>
<td align="right">0.0782</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00059432</td>
<td align="right">0.01426368</td>
<td align="right">2.59598976</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left">Grand Total</td>
<td align="right">6.3321984</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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<br>
Brian Cluff<br>
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<pre>Back when I ran a home server on my Athlon X2 with 1500 W supply, the machine never drew that much. Even with several disks spinning, 8 VMWare instances going and a few other goodies, that machine never drew more than 600w at maximum. I kept it live 24/7 for a few years and it added less than $120 yearly to the electrical bill. These days, that machine is out of service and is only good for parts. My Mac mini, which draws at most 100 W under full load is on 24/7 and I don’t even see it add that much to the electrical bill here. There are really only 3 high draw appliances in this house now:
1. The refrigerator
2. The stove/oven
3. The master cool evaporative cooler. Everything else either runs on wall warts or only gets used occasionally. In fact, we spend less than $150 a month here for electric. Now, if I put that Athlon X2 back into service, we might see $10 a month in extra use. I am still contemplating putting it back up and using it as my go to linux development machine.
-Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Utilities Dept.
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Hi,
I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server from home:
Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A 250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a whopping $262.00 per year!
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I think their math is wrong.
The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.
I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a 400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average. I've read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply capacity. Is this correct?
If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts * 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.
I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
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