<div dir="auto">System76 has some respectable options as does Lenovo. I think you can even get the business machines like thinkpad and think book with Linux instead of ms. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 4:02 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>They aren't cheap, about $2k for a top spec box maxed out without the microsoft tax there, but available as cheap as you're willing to sacrifice as the base model was around a grand with windoze home. I happen to have a couple 1tb samsung m.2 1tb's floating around unused, I would reclaim to save some cost, but actually what I like is that they offer a bring-your-own option.<br></div><div><br></div><div>A bit pricier than I can probably find an xps 13 or 15 box for on refurb or coupon deals, but I like the concept more than the price. Combinations of ports are always annoying on my laptops, I rather like they're adjustable as just usb-c to whatever.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:14 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Got an idea of how much they cost?<div>I have an old Dell here with a semi-broken keyboard and windows 7. I need something newer. If I can find a replacement internal keyboard for the dell, I will slap linux on it and call it good.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise, I will need a newer machine for some things that I do.</div><div><br></div><div>-Eric</div><div>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, equipment acquisitions dept.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 22, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>I posted before about these, pretty neat, open-ish hardware, and now shipping product. I rather like the modular ports and I can buy it without an os (ie microsoft tax). I can buy my own <a href="https://www.keysworlds.com/windows-10-professional.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">real windoze license for under ~10 bucks</a> anyways if I have to.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If I don't find a decent ryzen laptop soon, I might consider one of these.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Framework Newsletter</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:newsletter@frame.work" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">newsletter@frame.work</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:03 PM<br>Subject: The Framework Laptop is now shipping!<br></div><br><br><u></u>
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