<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I am curious, they have treated me very well over the years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:29 AM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Is Dreamhost a terrible abuser of privacy?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:24 AM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Please use literally anyone but Dreamhost. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I hit send too soon, All of this hosting aside. I have 3 dedicated servers, one is a dual Xeon server with 80-some GB ram, it runs as a VM host for all sorts of things for me. and 2 mac mini's one is a windows server (I know but professionally speaking this is a good thing for me to keep in touch with). and the other is a linux server. they are a great low-power solution. (look for older 2012 models if you go this route)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:09 AM Stephen Partington <<a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">For cost/efficiency, it is hard to beat some of the online hosting options. Dreamhost has a shared plan with unlimited everything and a domain for 9 per month (down to 3 for 1 or 3 years paid upfront) 10 per month Ifor a VPS.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 3:45 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I think you'll find that server of yours used closer to $500 than
$120. Based on the 600watt number that you gave your usage would
look like this on SRP right now under their normal flat rate plan:<br>
<table cellspacing="0" border="0">
<colgroup width="192"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85" span="2"></colgroup>
<colgroup width="171"></colgroup> <colgroup width="275"></colgroup>
<colgroup width="261"></colgroup> <colgroup width="297"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Months</td>
<td align="left">Number of Days</td>
<td align="left">Kwh Cost</td>
<td align="left">Machine Load in Kilo watts</td>
<td align="left">Cost per hour(KWH cost times wattage)</td>
<td align="left">Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours)</td>
<td align="left">Total Cost (Cost per time period)<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">May, Jun, Sep, Oct</td>
<td align="right">122</td>
<td align="right">0.1091</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.06546</td>
<td align="right">1.57104</td>
<td align="right">191.66688</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Jul,Aug</td>
<td align="right">62</td>
<td align="right">0.1157</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.06942</td>
<td align="right">1.66608</td>
<td align="right">103.29696</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April</td>
<td align="right">182</td>
<td align="right">0.0782</td>
<td align="right">0.6</td>
<td align="right">0.04692</td>
<td align="right">1.12608</td>
<td align="right">204.94656</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left">Grand Total</td>
<td align="right">499.9104</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
Even if you machine used half the power you specified it would still
be about twice what you thought it was.<br>
<br>
I always recommend that people don't use their old computers when it
comes to use cases like using them for routers because it's MUCH
cheaper to buy something like a PI or a dedicated router than it is
pay for power to feel a machine that uses waaay more than you need
to.<br>
With a raspberry pi under worst case useage with it being use to
100% capacity you'd only get charged $6.32 per year, but it would
most likely be closer to it's idling cost of $2.82 for power:<br>
<table cellspacing="0" border="0">
<colgroup width="192"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85" span="2"></colgroup>
<colgroup width="171"></colgroup> <colgroup width="275"></colgroup>
<colgroup width="261"></colgroup> <colgroup width="297"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Months</td>
<td align="left">Number of Days</td>
<td align="left">Kwh Cost</td>
<td align="left">Machine Load in Kilo watts</td>
<td align="left">Cost per hour(KWH cost times wattage)</td>
<td align="left">Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours)</td>
<td align="left">Total Cost (Cost per time period)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">May, Jun, Sep, Oct</td>
<td align="right">122</td>
<td align="right">0.1091</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00082916</td>
<td align="right">0.01989984</td>
<td align="right">2.42778048</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Jul,Aug</td>
<td align="right">62</td>
<td align="right">0.1157</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00087932</td>
<td align="right">0.02110368</td>
<td align="right">1.30842816</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left">Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April</td>
<td align="right">182</td>
<td align="right">0.0782</td>
<td align="right">0.0076</td>
<td align="right">0.00059432</td>
<td align="right">0.01426368</td>
<td align="right">2.59598976</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="17" align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left"><br>
</td>
<td align="left">Grand Total</td>
<td align="right">6.3321984</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
<br>
Brian Cluff<br>
<br>
<div>On 7/21/21 3:50 PM, Eric Oyen via
PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
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<pre>Back when I ran a home server on my Athlon X2 with 1500 W supply, the machine never drew that much. Even with several disks spinning, 8 VMWare instances going and a few other goodies, that machine never drew more than 600w at maximum. I kept it live 24/7 for a few years and it added less than $120 yearly to the electrical bill. These days, that machine is out of service and is only good for parts. My Mac mini, which draws at most 100 W under full load is on 24/7 and I don’t even see it add that much to the electrical bill here. There are really only 3 high draw appliances in this house now:
1. The refrigerator
2. The stove/oven
3. The master cool evaporative cooler. Everything else either runs on wall warts or only gets used occasionally. In fact, we spend less than $150 a month here for electric. Now, if I put that Athlon X2 back into service, we might see $10 a month in extra use. I am still contemplating putting it back up and using it as my go to linux development machine.
-Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Utilities Dept.
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<pre>On Jul 21, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org></a> wrote:
Hi,
I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server from home:
Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A 250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a whopping $262.00 per year!
---
I think their math is wrong.
The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.
I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a 400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average. I've read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply capacity. Is this correct?
If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts * 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.
I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
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