<div dir="ltr"><div>Inline here:<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700<br>
Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox<br>
ty setting it to drop all cache and other stuff upon exit, and then I<br>
shut down all instances of Firefox every day.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep ending up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new IE, so now I *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab suspenders across each, doesn't help much.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My problem is I have to keep different profiles for different companies I work with, usually no less than 4-6 at a time, 2 at least for my personal gsuite and work. Mostly I do so for M$ O365/Teams, as they can't figure out how to make it work across organizations or seemingly comprehend why anyone would. Hint: Consultants that work for 5-10 orgs at a time. Each profile just ends up hoarding ram, which ends up being 30-40gb at times on my system.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I don't know how many VMs you run, but those eat up memory.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>I have a mainstream Win10 build with visio and other windoze-y crap I need, 8gb of ram, and keep a few win10 ameliorated editions for clients to minimize footprint with 4gb. Usually only 2 windoze, 1 if I can. Occasionally a few other 2-4gb ram linux systems, but typically ~20gb for vbox and my vms. It's where all the other memory goes I have a hard time with, which I really can't identify.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
What the heck kind of editor requires 3-4GB RAM? That sounds crazy to<br>
me. Why do you have a few dozen files open simultaneously?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fine questions really, this tends to be where I'm bit odd. I've found whether using Pluma, Gedit, or even qqnotepad, they all tend to get a bit crazy with a lot of tabs. I presume things like undo memory, things like that are adding up, but I'm still like geez, really?</div><div><br></div><div>Why so many? I mostly do network and security consulting, with config files from existing devices, resulting operational output extracted in text, across multiple orgs at a time. Not to mention configuration changes I'm making for template deployment off those, so it gets a bit crazy flipping between dozens of configs at a time.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If I could find better ways to manage some of this, it would be nice, but seems everything just dumps this sort of thing into memory hoarding.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Libreoffice is kind of a pig. Is there something else you can use? And<br>
why a dozen or two simultaneous files open? This sounds like a workflow<br>
nightmare. Do you mean one Libreoffice instance with 24 files open, or<br>
a bunch of separate Libreoffices in VMs. If the latter, yeah, that's<br>
going to burn a lot of RAM, even more than one instance with 24<br>
documents.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I often blame Libreoffice, only to kill it with like 20 spreadsheets open, and 30 write files and find it was using (only) around 4gb of ram. I take notes a lot in libre because it's restore on crash has proven pretty flawless vs., well anything else. I mostly prefer pluma for text input and notes, but no good restore. Tried qqnotepad that had a restore function, it was highly dysfunctional.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ohhhh, KDE. I call that Krash, Delay, Expand. See<br>
<a href="http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm</a> . I use OpenBox, which<br>
is a low-RAM, just-the-facts window manager. On every machine I ever<br>
used KDE, performance was bad and on lower RAM machines, things ground<br>
to a halt.<br>
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Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and<br>
huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015<br>
computer with 4GB RAM.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes KDE is a pain, but both pretty and functional. I like it, though it friggin' hates me. Tried Mate/Cinnamon, i3, xfce, others randomly, just never cared for most.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My work and life on a single pc blend probably too much, but when I still can't seem to work functionally with 64-128gb of ram that simply no one else uses but me, I'm like wtf is wrong with my setup.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I'm running a 2014 computer:<br>
* AMD A6-6400K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (dual core)<br>
- 3.1Ghz dualcore<br>
* 16GB RAM<br>
* Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2<br>
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With no browsers open, this machine is is snappy as hell. With firefox<br>
set to dump cache upon exit, as long as I do reasonable housekeeping on<br>
tabs, and prophylactically close all firefox instances at least once a<br>
day, everything's pretty good.<br>
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That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz 6<br>
core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in<br>
running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent<br>
housekeeping in Firefox.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Perhaps this is just the price for working as I do. I also tend to keep things open to work perpetually as who needs work/life balance, so purging things would likely help.</div><div><br></div><div>Trying to work as I do under windoze as a test, it just couldn't hang. Perhaps I expect too much of linux, but it's far more capable at least, though when it gets wonky, it does so fast.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the input here, I do appreciate it, as perhaps as said I am simply going about things a wrong way, thus the ask.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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