<div dir="ltr"><div>I have wondered a bit at this, one thing that drove me to arch from ubuntu on this was their moving to wayland, that literally broke everything, including all DE's except for gnome3, which mostly I hated with passion. I really can't find any sign that this is using wayland vs. x though, as Xorg.log and ps still seem to indicate good old X still doing the trick.</div><div><br></div><div>What's a good way to tell if wayland is in use or otherwise funking up the flow? I've not worked much with wayland other than to know it was a bane of evil prior.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:50 AM Ed via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">For the screen shot - log out and log in again, but select the X11 option as your DE - my guess (as a long time Fedora user) is that your distro has made Wayland the default compositor and this has broken the screen shot tools(some Wayland specific ones are developing, but in Gnome AFAIK). When you log in there is an option to use different compositors/window drivers for your session. Select the X11 option and your familiar tools should work again. (not a KDE user, so guessing sorry)<div><br></div><div>From the OpenBSD perspective, X11's biggest problem is that it runs as a privileged user - and it isn't being maintained and other stuff</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 7:38 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Normally I would agree, but I don't have a lot of issues with xorg itself, at least when KDE or whatever DE behaves, and when I do have issues, most seems based around kwin compositing being shite, or their video setup getting settings wrong and randomly changing them (which I've only used for a year or more now. I do get some other random odd issues with KDE, like my third display randomly eating windows (hard to describe, but quite annoying), and occasionally creating odd offsets in the display geometry of adjacent windows being off, so I tend to blame KDE alone. Not used Cinnamon in a bit to see if it's occurring there too now, but it typically it's own wholly different issues. X itself otherwise seems to work fine.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I shouldn't say spectacle doesn't work at all, if I open it, it takes an initial screen shot of all displays, but at 3x displays by 4k, it makes it pretty useless though. How I use it 99% of the time is using rectangular captures, drawing the area I want on an overlay, and that's what is now suddenly broken. If I try to select just an area, spectacle crashes hard.</div><div><br></div><div>I started using shutter last week and was just fine until yesterday, when now it won't let me do a rectangular area capture either now with the same type of crashing. I get a core dump, but honestly it tells me little of why it's failing. It's just entirely frustrating as I use this a LOT creating tech docs on things, and I've had to take to dumping the whole screen into gimp, and grabbing the section I want from there.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 8:31 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Spectacle works perfectly for me. From what you are describing it
sounds like something in Xorg is broken, and I'm betting that you
won't be able to find any screenshot program that won't crash.<br>
You can probably continue to use spectacle if you can find out what
in X is broken.<br>
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Brian Cluff<br>
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<div>Since my last (arch) system update, I can't seem to find
any screenshot tools that work anymore in kde. Wondering if
anyone has any recommendations what works for them lately<br>
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<div>I've used spectacle from kde for like a decade now as one
of my favorite tools, and just as of a few months ago, it's
gone to hell for me, and just crashes if I try to take a
screenshot of a selected area. Trying shutter recently from
gnome, it sort of works at times, other times tends to crash
when trying to take a screenshot of a selected area as well.
I've tried some others I've already forgotten the names of a
while back, nothing seems to work anymore. <br>
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<div>I somewhat blame stupid wayland shenanigans in change, I'm
not even using wayland, but all the major kde news is about
wayland, that seems to just be bringing the whole thing down
around their ankles. Whatever kde is doing lately is just
bringing it back 10 years in stability.<br>
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<div>It's so hard to find good software these days.</div>
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<div>-mb</div>
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