<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>All valid points and correct Brian, cost vs. function. ~3yr ago when I bought these displays, I was moving from 6x 24" ancient dell lcd's, and got a "good" deal on these for about $650ea, curved samsung 48" 4k/60 displays. Couldn't get close to that with a real large monitor, let alone curved (great for my desk) and in fact really couldn't find any period except some off-brand chinese ones I expect to last no more than a year.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd purchased a CEC injector to play with, but kind of a pain to run and sync 3 of them at once, plus ~$50ea. Was going to try a rs232 adapter on a quad serial adapter, but eventually realized I can live with shutting off the displays manually via good old remote.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The problem comes in doing so, you can't really catch and power-down all at once, which causes video subsystem to start resizing from 3 displays, to 2, to 1, then none, which pretty much freaks out KDE and other DE's. KDE has been notoriously horrible about multi-monitor support over the years, window placement/size preservation, random resolution setting resets, things like that. Now add in some dongles that randomly require a physical disconnect to resume proper function randomly, every day, sometimes multiple times a day if I have power management shutting down displays, and it gets infuriating rather quickly. This was on my desktop with a dedicated video card even!</div><div><br></div><div>Now I'm using my laptop and the TB3 dock, which I find if I simply walk up and yank the dock TB3 connector, so all external displays drop at once, then power them down, they actually work fairly normally. I have to disable power down of displays, but since the tv's won't shut off entirely anyways, isn't that big a deal, other than the constant heat these generate and my failing old AC in the house.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm a bit more surprised HDMI still this day doesn't support DPMS-type functions to some extent, even if "legacy" vs. only CEC. Likewise I'm surprised companies like samsung don't just include a DP port on their TV's too, as it's more common to see folks like yourself and I using TV's as displays, as most tv's are better quality and price than any available "computer monitor" unless you need/want 144mhz gaming refreshes (that your eyeballs can't see anyways).</div><div><br></div><div>I figure at some point a developer might buy a few of these tv's and realize how asinine this all is to use to resolve it, but considering here we are in 2020 and my first reports of some of this stuff began a decade or more ago, perhaps not. KDE is still working on trying to fix window placement a decade or two on, <a href="https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Apps-Window-Pos">seeing this just today...</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:16 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
The problem with your setup is that you're using TVs for multiple
displays. Like you said, TV's don't understand DPMS so it's
impossible to get them to power down on command. Most newer TVs do
understand CEC and it's possible to get a CEC injector (I believe
NVIDIA doesn't handle it in their cards) to send a signal for the TV
to power itself off/on when you want it to. The biggest problem is
that when TVs turn off, they stop,for the most part, reporting on
the cable that they are there, so from the point of view of your
system, you are unplugging and plugging in the TV's from the system,
probably in some random order, and the system has to quickly deal
with handing changing scenarios of one monitor configuration after
another as the TVs turn on... It's probably freaks out because it's
asked to setup a display on one TV.... no wait 2 TVs... Just
kidding 3 TVs... but it's still trying to handle the first one by
the time it's asked to handle the 3rd one. I have a feeling that
TV's also don't have the unique ID's that monitors have so it will
also struggle to automatically place them back in the correct order
once they are all up and running if you are using the same model TVs
for all your displays.<br>
<br>
I personally use a single 50" 4K display for my desktop and other
than having to turn it on and off by hand, it has worked flawlessly
for the past 5 or 6 years... but then again, I'm only using the one
TV for my display. Before that I used a 3 monitor setup, with
actual computer monitors and I didn't have any problems at all with
that. My brother had a system with I believe 16 computer monitors
and that worked very well as well, but again that were actual
monitors. <br>
<br>
I think I remember coming across a device that was a DPMS proxy that
might fix your problem. It basically sits between you computer and
display and fakes a monitor signal to your computer so that your TVs
don't appear to be disappearing and reappear to your computer
constantly.<br>
<br>
You could also hard code your display setup in your Xorg.conf so
that it would have no choice but to setup your display like you like
it, but that could make things difficult/stange for you at a later
date if you ever change your display setup.<br>
<br>
Or, you could always get real computer monitors, but that would be
very expensive which is probably why your using TVs in the first
place.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<div>On 8/20/20 5:25 PM, Michael Butash via
PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
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<div>I have had lots of issues with video and adapters the past
few years, mostly as I'm forced to use them. My nvidia 1070
in my desktop has 3x DP1.2 ports and 1 HDMI2.0. I have 3
displays, so I use the 3x DP1.2 ports, and run those through
adapters to HDMI2.0 on my Samsung TV's I use for monitors.
Non-stop chaos ensues during power-down and up every day,
something different, every linux desktop hates it. Often one
display or another will freak out, and I end up; having to
hard disconnect the adapter (ie, reboot it) to work again or
it'll come up stuck in 768x1024 (on a 48" tv...).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I found HDMI doesn't handle DPMS sort of power-off modes as
vga, dvi, dp, or most methods of displays to handle soft
power-off scenarios, ala just power down displays. When my
laptop powers them down, they remain on with no signal, which
seems to just confuse the video card and adapter that both
freak out. This seems to have a profound effect on displaya
and video cards that don't realize most displays are now
hdmi...<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Graphic subsystems are a basketcase these days under linux,
mostly because of these damn adapters, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU" target="_blank">dongles</a>, and vendor wars. Intel,
that wants to sell all the things, including the most useless
gpu on the earth, injects themselves into everything, and
always cause me issues as I can't convince the os to use the
(real) nvidia gpu. Probably the same sort of issue if an
intel gpu is around with AMD. Last I used an AMD GPU some 4-5
years ago, it was an issue. Nvidia Prime via Intel is still
sketchy af.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even on a dedicated nvidia gpu in a server-ish xeon system,
with DP-to-whatever adapters I had nothing but issues. My
latest iteration is my laptop (xps 9560) and a
thunderbolt3/usb-c dock with 2x 4k/60hz outputs via one-piece
DP-to-HDMI cables. I still have quirks, but I've learned to
work around, and now somewhat understand really odd hardware
behaviour enough to reproduce it. Occasionally I still need
to disconnect a display at the DP-to-HDMI cable I use now,
which is again oddly random.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don't like the adapters, but my 48" TV's I use for
displays don't often come with DP ports native, and using HDMI
comes with power management oddities. A lot depends on your
cabling and even display these days.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-mb</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:05
PM Seabass via PLUG-discuss <<a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>No, on the desired monitor, it still black screens.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Works just fine (Even without that parameter) on
something that has a direct HDMI cable, though. (TV)</div>
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