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1. Re: zoom and teams patches (Phil Waclawski)<br>
2. Re: zoom and teams patches (der.hans)<br>
3. Re: zoom and teams patches (der.hans)<br>
4. Re: zoom and teams patches (der.hans)<br>
5. Re: zoom and teams patches (ryan@petris.net)<br>
6. Re: zoom and teams patches (der.hans)<br>
7. Re: zoom and teams patches (Donald Mac McCarthy)<br>
8. Re: zoom and teams patches (Michael Butash)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:20:42 -0700<br>
From: Phil Waclawski <phil.waclawski@mesacc.edu><br>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is a no<br>
go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a phone. So<br>
still using Zoom.<br>
Phil W<br>
<br>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <<br>
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
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> moin moin,<br>
><br>
> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button (<br>
> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using a<br>
> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
><br>
> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
> learning how to safely display images.<br>
><br>
> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
><br>
> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
> recurring zoom issues.<br>
><br>
> ciao,<br>
><br>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:54:48 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
To: Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
<br>
moin moin,<br>
<br>
> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is a no<br>
<br>
It's not complaining about it at the login page. It does seem to be<br>
requiring that I create yet another google account because there's not an<br>
option to create a webex account and the other two services are out of the<br>
question.<br>
<br>
> go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a phone. So<br>
> still using Zoom.<br>
<br>
I think we might just use phone for now. At least that's an option.<br>
Don't think I've seen that as an option for BBB.<br>
<br>
ciao,<br>
<br>
der.hans<br>
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> Phil W<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <<br>
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>><br>
>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button (<br>
>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using a<br>
>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>><br>
>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>><br>
>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>><br>
>> ciao,<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:00:09 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
To: Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.2004282357320.407@post><br>
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Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
<br>
moin moin Phil,<br>
<br>
> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is a no<br>
> go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a phone. So<br>
> still using Zoom.<br>
<br>
Hmm, a help page claims support for GNU/Linux.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://help.webex.com/en-us/nki3xrq/Webex-Meetings-Suite-System-Requirements">https://help.webex.com/en-us/nki3xrq/Webex-Meetings-Suite-System-Requirements</a><br>
<br>
----<br>
Linux (Web App) (32-bit/64-bit)<br>
<br>
Ubutuntu 14.x or later<br>
<br>
OpenSuSE 13.x or later<br>
<br>
Fedora 18 or later<br>
<br>
Red Hat 6 or later<br>
<br>
Debian 8.x or later<br>
<br>
The following Webex services are available for Linux on the web app:<br>
<br>
Webex Meetings<br>
<br>
Webex Events (attendees)<br>
<br>
Webex Training (attendees)<br>
<br>
Known issues and limitations for Linux on the Webex Meetings web app:<br>
<br>
In some versions of Linux, users must proactively install and activate<br>
the “OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc.” plugin in order<br>
for the video, call my computer, and content sharing features to work in<br>
Firefox.<br>
<br>
Content sharing does not work in Linux versions that use Wayland as<br>
their display management system (such as Fedora 25 and later), due to an<br>
issue with the WebRTC screen sharing API.<br>
<br>
Sending and receiving video does not work in Fedora 28 due to an issue<br>
with the H.264 codec.<br>
<br>
See the Web App Supported Operating Systems and Browsers for more<br>
information on the additional features for Linux that are available in the<br>
Webex Meetings desktop app.<br>
<br>
Linux (Legacy App)<br>
<br>
Ubuntu 12.x and 14.x (Gnome) (all 32-bit)<br>
<br>
Red Hat 5, 6 (all 32-bit)<br>
<br>
Open SuSE 13.1, 13.2 (all 32-bit)<br>
<br>
Fedora 19, 20 32-bit/64-bit<br>
<br>
Notes:<br>
<br>
Webex video and Personal Room video are only supported on the Webex<br>
Meetings Web App.<br>
<br>
The following Webex services are available for Linux on the legacy<br>
app:<br>
<br>
Webex Meetings<br>
<br>
Webex Events<br>
<br>
Webex Training<br>
<br>
Remote Support<br>
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<br>
ciao,<br>
<br>
der.hans<br>
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> Phil W<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <<br>
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>><br>
>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button (<br>
>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using a<br>
>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>><br>
>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>><br>
>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>><br>
>> ciao,<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:35:50 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
To: Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.2004290031470.407@post><br>
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Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
<br>
moin moin,<br>
<br>
webex says my system isn't supported and points me to the page on system<br>
requirements. I now see the issue, I'm running plain Ubuntu rather than<br>
'Ubutuntu' so I guess I'll have to find an install iso for that :).<br>
<br>
ciao,<br>
<br>
der.hans<br>
<br>
> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is a no<br>
> go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a phone. So<br>
> still using Zoom.<br>
> Phil W<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <<br>
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>><br>
>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button (<br>
>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using a<br>
>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>><br>
>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>><br>
>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>><br>
>> ciao,<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:53:42 -0700<br>
From: ryan@petris.net<br>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my <br>
screen, nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native <br>
client, though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based <br>
browser (in my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in <br>
screen sharing functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only <br>
caveat I've found is that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium <br>
doesn't appear to support screen capture on Wayland.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
> Phil W<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>> <br>
>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>> (<br>
>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>> a<br>
>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>> <br>
>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>> <br>
>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>> <br>
>> ciao,<br>
>> <br>
>> der.hans<br>
>> --<br>
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https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
>> # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting.<br>
>> # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. -<br>
>> der.hans<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:40:09 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
To: Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.2004290536460.407@post><br>
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Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
<br>
moin moin,<br>
<br>
> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my screen,<br>
<br>
Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some JavaScript,<br>
but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
<br>
I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex join<br>
meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
<br>
ciao,<br>
<br>
der.hans<br>
<br>
> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client, though, <br>
> but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in my case, <br>
> Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing functionality <br>
> of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is that you must <br>
> use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support screen capture <br>
> on Wayland.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
>> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
>> Phil W<br>
>> <br>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> moin moin,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>>> (<br>
>>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>>> a<br>
>>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>>> <br>
>>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> ciao,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> der.hans<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:08:10 -0700<br>
From: Donald Mac McCarthy <mac@oscontext.com><br>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>,<br>
"der.hans via PLUG-discuss" <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Cc: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
<br>
Mac<br>
<br>
der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:<br>
> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
><br>
> moin moin,<br>
><br>
>> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my<br>
>> screen,<br>
><br>
> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some JavaScript,<br>
> but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
><br>
> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex<br>
> join<br>
> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
><br>
> ciao,<br>
><br>
> der.hans<br>
><br>
>> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,<br>
>> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser<br>
>> (in my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen<br>
>> sharing functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat<br>
>> I've found is that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium<br>
>> doesn't appear to support screen capture on Wayland.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
>>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
>>> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
>>> Phil W<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>>>> (<br>
>>>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>>>> a<br>
>>>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>>>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>>>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ciao,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>> -- <br>
>>>> # <a href="https://www.LuftHans.com">https://www.LuftHans.com</a> <a href="https://www.PhxLinux.org">
https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
>>>> # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting.<br>
>>>> # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. -<br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
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>>><br>
>>> -- <br>
>>><br>
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>>> hope you are safe and healthy during this time.<br>
>>> My in person and hybrid classes are all meeting at the regular times<br>
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>>> for the details and links, or email me with further questions.<br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:24:59 -0700<br>
From: Michael Butash <michael@butash.net><br>
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Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
<br>
Right, not in my 20-some years around Cisco. Why I don't do much Cisco<br>
anymore.<br>
<br>
Webex finally pulled its head from it's bung a few years back to figure out<br>
how to do screen sharing AND remote control even on linux, and so far for<br>
me, is the only other decent/viable conferencing suite outside zoom. I use<br>
it with a few customers regularly. I've read WebEx uses the same kinds of<br>
"exploiting" the os to launch itself with windows/mac, so same<br>
shenanigans. I'd be really interested in seeing someone rip it apart for a<br>
security audit.<br>
<br>
Before Zoom and WebEx figured it out, I was using UberConference for years,<br>
they were the original I found that could offer sharing, but never offered<br>
remote control which is almost necessary in my line of work. I really<br>
liked the service and company, but no remote control and some other quirks<br>
(no firefox support a big one) drove me off to zoom finally.<br>
<br>
M$ Teams sharing is wonky at best and doesn't allow remote control.<br>
Microsoft basically throws in the service with o365, so many companies are<br>
using it by default, and it always is painful. They even added a linux<br>
client, but it was poop and doesn't allow for multiple orgs ala slack, or<br>
about any other chat client known to man. Last time I tried it a few<br>
months back, it also began crushing my system's cpu's - quality microsoft,<br>
thanks for caring about us linux people with your half-assed software.<br>
<br>
GotoMeeting still doesn't know what linux is or cares I think, luckily no<br>
one seems to use them anymore.<br>
<br>
-mb<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:08 PM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <<br>
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
><br>
> Mac<br>
><br>
> der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:<br>
><br>
> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
><br>
> moin moin,<br>
><br>
> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my<br>
> screen,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some JavaScript,<br>
> but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
><br>
> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex join<br>
> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
><br>
> ciao,<br>
><br>
> der.hans<br>
><br>
> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,<br>
> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in<br>
> my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing<br>
> functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is<br>
> that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support<br>
> screen capture on Wayland.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
><br>
> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
> Phil W<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> moin moin,<br>
><br>
> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
> (<br>
> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
> a<br>
> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
><br>
> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
> learning how to safely display images.<br>
><br>
> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
> recurring zoom issues.<br>
><br>
> ciao,<br>
><br>
> der.hans<br>
> --<br>
> # <a href="https://www.LuftHans.com">https://www.LuftHans.com</a> <a href="https://www.PhxLinux.org">
https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
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> # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. -<br>
> der.hans<br>
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><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> The Maricopa Community Colleges are now operating fully remotely. We<br>
> hope you are safe and healthy during this time.<br>
> My in person and hybrid classes are all meeting at the regular times<br>
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> for the details and links, or email me with further questions.<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:41:14 -0700<br>
From: Michael Butash <michael@butash.net><br>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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Google has been making news again yesterday/today with Google Meet, giving<br>
free 60min conference calls to folks. Not used it yet, but probably should<br>
try to see the capabilities.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/">https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/</a><br>
<br>
-mb<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:24 AM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:<br>
<br>
> > Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
><br>
> Right, not in my 20-some years around Cisco. Why I don't do much Cisco<br>
> anymore.<br>
><br>
> Webex finally pulled its head from it's bung a few years back to figure<br>
> out how to do screen sharing AND remote control even on linux, and so far<br>
> for me, is the only other decent/viable conferencing suite outside zoom. I<br>
> use it with a few customers regularly. I've read WebEx uses the same kinds<br>
> of "exploiting" the os to launch itself with windows/mac, so same<br>
> shenanigans. I'd be really interested in seeing someone rip it apart for a<br>
> security audit.<br>
><br>
> Before Zoom and WebEx figured it out, I was using UberConference for<br>
> years, they were the original I found that could offer sharing, but never<br>
> offered remote control which is almost necessary in my line of work. I<br>
> really liked the service and company, but no remote control and some other<br>
> quirks (no firefox support a big one) drove me off to zoom finally.<br>
><br>
> M$ Teams sharing is wonky at best and doesn't allow remote control.<br>
> Microsoft basically throws in the service with o365, so many companies are<br>
> using it by default, and it always is painful. They even added a linux<br>
> client, but it was poop and doesn't allow for multiple orgs ala slack, or<br>
> about any other chat client known to man. Last time I tried it a few<br>
> months back, it also began crushing my system's cpu's - quality microsoft,<br>
> thanks for caring about us linux people with your half-assed software.<br>
><br>
> GotoMeeting still doesn't know what linux is or cares I think, luckily no<br>
> one seems to use them anymore.<br>
><br>
> -mb<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:08 PM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <<br>
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
>><br>
>> Mac<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:<br>
>><br>
>> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
>><br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>><br>
>> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my<br>
>> screen,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some JavaScript,<br>
>> but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
>><br>
>> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex<br>
>> join<br>
>> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
>><br>
>> ciao,<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans<br>
>><br>
>> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,<br>
>> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in<br>
>> my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing<br>
>> functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is<br>
>> that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support<br>
>> screen capture on Wayland.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
>> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
>> Phil W<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> moin moin,<br>
>><br>
>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>> (<br>
>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>> a<br>
>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>><br>
>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>><br>
>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>><br>
>> ciao,<br>
>><br>
>> der.hans<br>
>> --<br>
>> # <a href="https://www.LuftHans.com">https://www.LuftHans.com</a> <a href="https://www.PhxLinux.org">
https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
>> # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting.<br>
>> # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. -<br>
>> der.hans<br>
>> ---------------------------------------------------<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> The Maricopa Community Colleges are now operating fully remotely. We<br>
>> hope you are safe and healthy during this time.<br>
>> My in person and hybrid classes are all meeting at the regular times<br>
>> via remote software. Lab and office hours as well. Please check Canvas<br>
>> for the details and links, or email me with further questions.<br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 07:47:01 -0700<br>
From: Stephen Partington <cryptworks@gmail.com><br>
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Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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We have been using the crap out of it at work, and it does a good job,<br>
simple with minimal extras, but sometimes that's what you need.<br>
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:41 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<br>
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Google has been making news again yesterday/today with Google Meet, giving<br>
> free 60min conference calls to folks. Not used it yet, but probably should<br>
> try to see the capabilities.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/">
https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/</a><br>
><br>
> -mb<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:24 AM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> > Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
>><br>
>> Right, not in my 20-some years around Cisco. Why I don't do much Cisco<br>
>> anymore.<br>
>><br>
>> Webex finally pulled its head from it's bung a few years back to figure<br>
>> out how to do screen sharing AND remote control even on linux, and so far<br>
>> for me, is the only other decent/viable conferencing suite outside zoom. I<br>
>> use it with a few customers regularly. I've read WebEx uses the same kinds<br>
>> of "exploiting" the os to launch itself with windows/mac, so same<br>
>> shenanigans. I'd be really interested in seeing someone rip it apart for a<br>
>> security audit.<br>
>><br>
>> Before Zoom and WebEx figured it out, I was using UberConference for<br>
>> years, they were the original I found that could offer sharing, but never<br>
>> offered remote control which is almost necessary in my line of work. I<br>
>> really liked the service and company, but no remote control and some other<br>
>> quirks (no firefox support a big one) drove me off to zoom finally.<br>
>><br>
>> M$ Teams sharing is wonky at best and doesn't allow remote control.<br>
>> Microsoft basically throws in the service with o365, so many companies are<br>
>> using it by default, and it always is painful. They even added a linux<br>
>> client, but it was poop and doesn't allow for multiple orgs ala slack, or<br>
>> about any other chat client known to man. Last time I tried it a few<br>
>> months back, it also began crushing my system's cpu's - quality microsoft,<br>
>> thanks for caring about us linux people with your half-assed software.<br>
>><br>
>> GotoMeeting still doesn't know what linux is or cares I think, luckily no<br>
>> one seems to use them anymore.<br>
>><br>
>> -mb<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:08 PM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <<br>
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mac<br>
>>><br>
>>> der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
>>><br>
>>> moin moin,<br>
>>><br>
>>> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my<br>
>>> screen,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some JavaScript,<br>
>>> but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex<br>
>>> join<br>
>>> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ciao,<br>
>>><br>
>>> der.hans<br>
>>><br>
>>> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,<br>
>>> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in<br>
>>> my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing<br>
>>> functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is<br>
>>> that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support<br>
>>> screen capture on Wayland.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
>>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
>>> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
>>> Phil W<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> moin moin,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>>> (<br>
>>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>>> a<br>
>>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ciao,<br>
>>><br>
>>> der.hans<br>
>>> --<br>
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https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:47:06 -0700<br>
From: Michael Butash <michael@butash.net><br>
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Subject: Re: zoom and teams patches<br>
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How's the video sharing and remote control capabilities? That is always<br>
the issue with linux involved.<br>
<br>
Teams, UberConf both don't allow remote control, so they're only<br>
half-functional imho. Even sharing alone, both were also bad about letting<br>
me share one of my 3 displays at a time, only allowing the full 3x display,<br>
or a single application at a time. Zoom and WebEx allow me to show each<br>
display individually. It's like a feature they don't know exists, but is<br>
damn relevant when you have 2-3 displays going at a time.<br>
<br>
I use hangouts still for my sms as my main number *is* gvoice still, but<br>
hangouts, duo, etc have never been too usable, or at least everyone else<br>
just went back to the facebook/instagram/whatsapp cartel, or use their<br>
work's service ala zoom/webex/etc. I don't care about or use video (no one<br>
wants to see me), I just need desktop sharing and remote control to get<br>
their stuff working.<br>
<br>
-mb<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:47 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <<br>
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
<br>
> We have been using the crap out of it at work, and it does a good job,<br>
> simple with minimal extras, but sometimes that's what you need.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:41 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <<br>
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Google has been making news again yesterday/today with Google Meet,<br>
>> giving free 60min conference calls to folks. Not used it yet, but probably<br>
>> should try to see the capabilities.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/">
https://www.blog.google/products/meet/bringing-google-meet-to-more-people/</a><br>
>><br>
>> -mb<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:24 AM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> > Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Right, not in my 20-some years around Cisco. Why I don't do much Cisco<br>
>>> anymore.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Webex finally pulled its head from it's bung a few years back to figure<br>
>>> out how to do screen sharing AND remote control even on linux, and so far<br>
>>> for me, is the only other decent/viable conferencing suite outside zoom. I<br>
>>> use it with a few customers regularly. I've read WebEx uses the same kinds<br>
>>> of "exploiting" the os to launch itself with windows/mac, so same<br>
>>> shenanigans. I'd be really interested in seeing someone rip it apart for a<br>
>>> security audit.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Before Zoom and WebEx figured it out, I was using UberConference for<br>
>>> years, they were the original I found that could offer sharing, but never<br>
>>> offered remote control which is almost necessary in my line of work. I<br>
>>> really liked the service and company, but no remote control and some other<br>
>>> quirks (no firefox support a big one) drove me off to zoom finally.<br>
>>><br>
>>> M$ Teams sharing is wonky at best and doesn't allow remote control.<br>
>>> Microsoft basically throws in the service with o365, so many companies are<br>
>>> using it by default, and it always is painful. They even added a linux<br>
>>> client, but it was poop and doesn't allow for multiple orgs ala slack, or<br>
>>> about any other chat client known to man. Last time I tried it a few<br>
>>> months back, it also began crushing my system's cpu's - quality microsoft,<br>
>>> thanks for caring about us linux people with your half-assed software.<br>
>>><br>
>>> GotoMeeting still doesn't know what linux is or cares I think, luckily<br>
>>> no one seems to use them anymore.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -mb<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:08 PM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <<br>
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Since when was Cisco known for a "good" UI?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mac<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote on 4/28/20 10:40 PM:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 28. Apr, 2020 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> That's not entirely true, I use Webex on Linux, including sharing my<br>
>>>> screen,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Yeah, in the end it worked with Firefox. I had to allow some<br>
>>>> JavaScript,<br>
>>>> but no completely 3rd party stuff.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I also didn't need to create an account for authentication. The webex<br>
>>>> join<br>
>>>> meeting UI sucks pretty badly.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ciao,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> nearly every day for work. It is true that there's no native client,<br>
>>>> though, but the workaround is to use Chrome or a Chrome-based browser (in<br>
>>>> my case, Chromium), and Webex is able to use the built-in screen sharing<br>
>>>> functionality of Chrome to share your screen. The only caveat I've found is<br>
>>>> that you must use Xorg, not Wayland, as Chromium doesn't appear to support<br>
>>>> screen capture on Wayland.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 2020-04-28 15:20, Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Webex still does not have a Linux client (not even via web), so it is<br>
>>>> a no go for me except on my phone, and I can't teach class with a<br>
>>>> phone. So still using Zoom.<br>
>>>> Phil W<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss<br>
>>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> moin moin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'll be posting something longer and positive about Big Blue Button<br>
>>>> (<br>
>>>> hopefully today ), but at this point we're probably all stuck using<br>
>>>> a<br>
>>>> variety of tools that others get to choose for us.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Zoom fixed their waiting room security hole and Microsoft is still<br>
>>>> learning how to safely display images.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both were fixed server side, so the holes should be gone.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/">https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/zooms-waiting-room-vulnerability/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/">
https://www.cyberark.com/threat-research-blog/beware-of-the-gif-account-takeover-vulnerability-in-microsoft-teams/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Anyone know the state of webex? That's popped up for me due to the<br>
>>>> recurring zoom issues.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ciao,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> # <a href="https://www.LuftHans.com">https://www.LuftHans.com</a> <a href="https://www.PhxLinux.org">
https://www.PhxLinux.org</a><br>
>>>> # It's up to the reader to make the book interesting.<br>
>>>> # An author has only the opportunity to make it uninteresting. -<br>
>>>> der.hans<br>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------<br>
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>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The Maricopa Community Colleges are now operating fully remotely. We<br>
>>>> hope you are safe and healthy during this time.<br>
>>>> My in person and hybrid classes are all meeting at the regular times<br>
>>>> via remote software. Lab and office hours as well. Please check Canvas<br>
>>>> for the details and links, or email me with further questions.<br>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org<br>
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>>>> Donald "Mac" McCarthy<br>
>>>> Director, Field Operations<br>
>>>> Open Source Context<br>
>>>> +1.602.584.4445<br>
>>>> mac@oscontext.com<br>
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