<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I have had cox residential for years. (90's yo) and right now On the Fiber gigablast has been the best experience with any of their products I have ever had. even beyond the general squee of Gig up and down.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">And the only time port 80 mattered to me was that letsencrypt no longer allows https for verification. and I would like to have 25 open to learn how to run my own mail server.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:53 AM Michael Butash <<a href="mailto:michael@butash.net">michael@butash.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Eric,<div><br></div><div>Curious what you're paying for that these days from Cox Business.</div><div><br></div><div>I used to work for them some ~20yr ago, so had it for many years, but found it not worth the cost over time. I moved to residential, which was fine, other than the every 4 years or so I'd have to call them to come replace feeder cable to my house from cable suckage (heat/metal expansion/contraction, not literal), and have to wait a day to get a tech here. Upstream isn't so important unless you're trying to be the next piratebay top 10 seeder, so I'm all for cost savings, thus moving to centurylink the past year.</div><div><br></div><div>Which by the way, I rather hate lec/telco's by nature, so this was difficult. My doing so was purely a financial decision. Shame Cox implemented data caps, I never minded paying a bit more for better service, but when randomly 10-20 dollars higher than normal, I got angry.</div><div><br></div><div>Side note - business modem usage of RF spectrum isn't any different from residential users, you only get a different modem config file that allows things like tcp/25 and 80 ports, more synchronous bandwidth as mentioned, and that's really it. Coming from someone working with cable modems circa '99 pre-docsis, their hype isn't all that besides 24/7 physical support, more synchronous bandwidth, and better peering (ie. local peering vs. California egress, some ~20ms). Cox does however in general do a good job of managing bandwidth at the node level, residential or business, to keep things copacetic in either regard.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>A slight addition, with regards to cox.<div><br></div><div>I use the business class service here, which means that my bandwidth is not the ever present in residential “up to” speed, but is the advertised speed of 65 Mbits/sec. Also, I use a VPN for torrenting over simply because cox, like most other broadband providers) doesn’t like one using a method of file transfer that can be so incredibly abused by those sharing copyrighted content.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, since I am only 1 of about 20 users on my node doing business service, instead of residential, I am not suck for bandwidth like all the residential users around me. I also don’t have to worry about overage charges (if you exceed 1 TB a month on residential, it can cost up to $10 per gigabyte over your limit. If you happen to be streaming 4k content via that connection, you will definitely go over by the 23rd day of that 30 day cycle, especially if you are like my room mate and leave the video stream on 24/7.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Now, as for best settings for your torrent client, even the best settings still might not give you peak performance. A lot depends on the health of the swarm (number of seeds >2) and how many leechers there may be. Typically, if you have only a few seeds and a lot of leeches, you won’t be getting any performance out of your torrent client.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, some of the best settings I have come up with over the years includes:</div><div>Number of active torrents </= 5. The max global connections is 1000 or less and the per torrent connections no higher than 200. Also, I tend to limit both upload and download BW to about 70% of my overall available bandwidth here. I have other reasons for that, including not causing a problem with the video streaming</div><div> That the room mate enjoys. There might be some advanced settings in your torrent client that may also improve performance, but overall, a lot still depends on how many seeds and the level of bandwidth they can feed.</div><div><br></div><div>-Eric</div><div>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Quality of Services.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 23, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Jim <<a href="mailto:azanorak@gmail.com" target="_blank">azanorak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_3808879768832518307gmail-m_-7743615939083781722Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) torrent peer(s).<br></blockquote><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">I know this. I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending if your isp is hating on your torrenting. Comcast has been known to rate limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born. I find using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local peering, so things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise window up fast to max bandwidth if enough peers. Cox charges bandwidth overages now, but their service (internet peering) is generally better quality. I don't like random surprise overages after watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL with no caps.<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">How fast is your Century Link service? Are you stuck with dsl or do they offer something faster? I've heard that many ISPs are imposing data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP. Just don't - you are inviting problems. Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn service. This influences again how fast you are downloading, make sure your vpn gives you good speed too.<br></blockquote><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty and listing the torrent in question. I use a VPN now and get no more nasty emails from the isp.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br>Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer rates, meaning faster to download than upload. Interesting thing with cable particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your downstream rates in bad ways. If you are maxing out your upstream to seed, your downloads are likely affected in some way. It's a long answer why, read up on docsis if interested. Limit your upstream rates in your torrent client/server to a respectable number is the short of this.<br><br>Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections - make sure your router/firewall can handle this. I've seen torrenting kill enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts. Connection counts affect memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router. I see this occasionally with customer "incidents" when doing network/security consulting, and finding someone doing something stupid like installing a torrent client on their work computer as they end up being a top-talker I find with simple source flow counts for *abnormal* traffic. I've also had roommates kill my firewall doing this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no internet access ever again.<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">I used to have a roommate about 10 years ago who bogged down my internet connection with his stupid online shoot em up games. I couldn't download anything. I'd connect to the router and see that he was downloading little but maxing out the upload speed. It must have been something to do with that docsis issue you mentioned. I fixed the problem by setting a limit on his upload speed so he only got half of what was available. He complained when implementing this change kicked him offline for a minute or so, but not after that</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary. I use a transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through that as a server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop, laptop, phone, sometimes remote), and all torrent collection show up as from an eu country via my vpn service. Above guidelines are quite good for my purposes.<br><br>-mb<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">I use protonvpn. It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty emials from my ISP. 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