<div dir="ltr">you guys are the best<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:59 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Btw,<div>If you want to run the process automatically at a specified time, you can always do the following:</div><div><br></div><div>Su root</div><div>Crontab -e<br><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span>30 4 1,15 * 5 rsync >command switches here></span></font></b></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><b>This would </b></font><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span>cause a command to be run at 4:30 am on the 1st and 15th of each month, plus every Friday. (This example found here: </span></font></span><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span><a href="https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucrontab.htm" target="_blank">https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucrontab.htm</a>)</span></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3">This was how I used to do periodic backups. I would then schedule a copy operation the same way but a day later in order to copy the resulting image file into a backup container (usually on a separate external drive also using crontab). This way, there would always be a <span>backup available.</span></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3">Hope this helps.</font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3">-<span>Eric</span></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Data Retrieval unit</font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><br></font></div><div><font color="#454545" face="Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span><b><br></b></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 4, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Carruth, Rusty <<a href="mailto:Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com" target="_blank">Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819WordSection1" style="font-family:AppleSymbols;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Yeah, it’s a security feature - you (usually) have to be root to mount stuff, unless automount happens to work for the situation you’re in.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And I agree, if it works, don’t fix it.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Rusty<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span>PLUG-discuss [<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>]<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 04, 2019 11:11 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span>Main PLUG discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Plug<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">thanks buddy:)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Not that I can think of off hand. This looks like a security feature to me. Since it works, I wouldn’t worry about it much.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Eric<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild. Security Infrastructure Dept.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">no. I'll just run it with sudo. or is there a specific reason for that?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:22 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hmmmm. Have you got a sodo’ers file in /etc? You might have to add your user account there. Also, it probably wouldn’t hurt to add your account to the rsync group.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Eric<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Unix and other things Dept.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I also have to sudo it <u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:53 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Well, if it works, leave it alone. :)<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Eric<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Hands Off Dept.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Feb 3, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I ran the commands. I ran rsync last night and now I open the..... After investigatin furthrt I have discovered it appended a '1' to Seagate. I added a '1' and it is backing up as I type. I don't like having the 1 on the end but I don't like messing with it any longer!<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:54 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ok,<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Well, make sure nothing has exclusive use on that drive.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In terminal issue the following commands:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">umount /dev/sdx (whatever the number is for that drive/fs)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If there is more than one partition on that drive, unmount them as well.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Then, to erase the drive, I use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx (this will blow away all partition map info, boot sector and the like)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Lastly:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">mkfs.ext3<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> /dev/sdx (you can replace the .ext3 with other FS types if you prefer)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">When done, mount the FS as normal and you should be good to go.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Eric<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Drive recyclers Dept.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I am trying to format it to a native<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:44 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ugh!<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">NTFS. No wonder you are having such issues. Any way to move stuff off there and reformat to a more appropriate FS (like ext4, MurderFS or the like)?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">One thing I have found when dealing with NTFS, I would rather do so inside a file image that gets synced from a physical drive. This way, even the partition info is retained. I also do that with my Mac here when operating time machine backups. I created a file that was then formatted with OSX extended FS, setup a few perms and let fly. This way, one of my external drives can handle backups from multiple Macs without running into machine confusion as to which backup belongs to what.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">-Eric<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Backups-R-us Dept.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Jan 31, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Its been running for about four minutes now and the drive is just flashing.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This is what I ran:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">bmike1@MikesBeast:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/test<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">[sudo] password for bmike1: <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><then I realized it was automounted><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">bmike1@MikesBeast:~$ sudo umount /dev/sdc1<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">bmike1@MikesBeast:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/test<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">bmike1@MikesBeast:~$ find /mnt/test -type f -exec cp "{}" /dev/null \;<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Is this correct?<u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM <<a href="mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kitepilot@kitepilot.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">> Nope. I'm thinking the external drive is dieing.<br>Do:<br>mount /dev/<my-dieing-hardrive> /some/where<br>find /some/where/ -type f -exec cp "{}" /dev/null \;<br>dmesg|grep '/dev/<my-dieing-hardrive>'<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>You'll find a bunch of errors to validate your hunch or you'll fine none to<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>rule it out.<br>ET<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>PS: I didn't 'sticking up for you'.<br>I want to have you around so I can harass you at will! ;-)<br>You are a good man Mike, and you have my appreciation and utmost respect.<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>Michael writes:<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>> Nope. I'm thinking the external drive is dieing.<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:19 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br>><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>> No problem. Btw, did you ever figure out that latest little issue (I think<br>>> it was with rsync)?<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><br>>> -Eric<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Jan 31, 2019, at 6:35 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><br>>> ET and Eric.... thanks for sticking up for me.<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><br>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 7:10 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>><br>>>> No. He is definitely not a troll and like me, he has some challenges that<br>>>> can get in the way of properly dealing with the world. So, yeah, his brain<br>>>> is wired differently. SO what! So is min, incidentally. On top of having to<br>>>> deal with the lifelong effects of a traumatic brain injury (courtesy of a<br>>>> hit and run driver in 1989), I am also totally blind. Does this make me any<br>>>> less a person? Hell no! Does it mean I might require extra help from time<br>>>> to time? You betcha!<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><br>>>> So, before you go applying that label, please consider the mind behind<br>>>> the post before making that judgement.<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -Eric<br>>>> From the central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Special Services and<br>>>> activities Dept.<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><br>>>> > On Jan 30, 2019, at 7:55 AM,<span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kitepilot@kitepilot.com</a><span class="gmail-m_2061520870394874819Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>>>> ><br>>>> > No Alexander, Michael is not trolling.<br>>>> > I know Michael personally and he is a great guy.<br>>>> > He faces some challenges that most of us don't even know exist, and he<br>>>> overcomes most of them remarkably.<br>>>> > I will not extend about the challenges he faces, but I will indicate<br>>>> that he deserves the patience, the help and the respect.<br>>>> > Not all hackers are created equally... :)<br>>>> > Best!<br>>>> > Enrique A. Troconis<br>>>> ><br>>>> > Snyder, Alexander J writes:<br>>>> >> I often wonder if the vague emails from "Michael" are just trolling the<br>>>> >> Plug Distro... testing our patience and willingness to help! "I can't<br>>>> log in" ....<br>>>> >> "How do I print" ... Thanks,<br>>>> >> Alexander. 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