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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yeah, it’s a security feature - you (usually) have to be root to mount stuff, unless automount happens to work for the situation you’re in.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And I agree, if it works, don’t fix it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 04, 2019 11:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Plug<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks buddy:)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not that I can think of off hand. This looks like a security feature to me. Since it works, I wouldn’t worry about it much.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild. Security Infrastructure Dept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">no. I'll just run it with sudo. or is there a specific reason for that?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:22 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmmmm. Have you got a sodo’ers file in /etc? You might have to add your user account there. Also, it probably wouldn’t hurt to add your account to the rsync group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Unix and other things Dept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 4, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also have to sudo it <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:53 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, if it works, leave it alone. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Hands Off Dept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 3, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I ran the commands. I ran rsync last night and now I open the..... After investigatin furthrt I have discovered it appended a '1' to Seagate. I added a '1' and it is backing up as I type. I don't like having the 1 on the end but I don't
like messing with it any longer!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, make sure nothing has exclusive use on that drive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In terminal issue the following commands:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">umount /dev/sdx (whatever the number is for that drive/fs)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If there is more than one partition on that drive, unmount them as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then, to erase the drive, I use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx (this will blow away all partition map info, boot sector and the like)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When done, mount the FS as normal and you should be good to go.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Drive recyclers Dept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 31, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am trying to format it to a native<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:44 PM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ugh!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">NTFS. No wonder you are having such issues. Any way to move stuff off there and reformat to a more appropriate FS (like ext4, MurderFS or the like)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One thing I have found when dealing with NTFS, I would rather do so inside a file image that gets synced from a physical drive. This way, even the partition info is retained. I also do that with my Mac here when operating time machine backups.
I created a file that was then formatted with OSX extended FS, setup a few perms and let fly. This way, one of my external drives can handle backups from multiple Macs without running into machine confusion as to which backup belongs to what.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Backups-R-us Dept.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 31, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Its been running for about four minutes now and the drive is just flashing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is what I ran:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><then I realized it was automounted><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">bmike1@MikesBeast:~$ find /mnt/test -type f -exec cp "{}" /dev/null \;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is this correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:41 PM <<a href="mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com" target="_blank">kitepilot@kitepilot.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Nope. I'm thinking the external drive is dieing.<br>
Do:<br>
mount /dev/<my-dieing-hardrive> /some/where<br>
find /some/where/ -type f -exec cp "{}" /dev/null \;<br>
dmesg|grep '/dev/<my-dieing-hardrive>' <br>
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You'll find a bunch of errors to validate your hunch or you'll fine none to <br>
rule it out.<br>
ET <br>
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PS: I didn't 'sticking up for you'.<br>
I want to have you around so I can harass you at will! ;-)<br>
You are a good man Mike, and you have my appreciation and utmost respect. <br>
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> Nope. I'm thinking the external drive is dieing. <br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:19 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:
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>> No problem. Btw, did you ever figure out that latest little issue (I think<br>
>> it was with rsync)? <br>
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>> On Jan 31, 2019, at 6:35 AM, Michael <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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>> ET and Eric.... thanks for sticking up for me. <br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 7:10 AM Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:
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>>> No. He is definitely not a troll and like me, he has some challenges that<br>
>>> can get in the way of properly dealing with the world. So, yeah, his brain<br>
>>> is wired differently. SO what! So is min, incidentally. On top of having to<br>
>>> deal with the lifelong effects of a traumatic brain injury (courtesy of a<br>
>>> hit and run driver in 1989), I am also totally blind. Does this make me any<br>
>>> less a person? Hell no! Does it mean I might require extra help from time<br>
>>> to time? You betcha! <br>
>>><br>
>>> So, before you go applying that label, please consider the mind behind<br>
>>> the post before making that judgement. <br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> -Eric<br>
>>> From the central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Special Services and<br>
>>> activities Dept. <br>
>>><br>
>>> > On Jan 30, 2019, at 7:55 AM, <a href="mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com" target="_blank">
kitepilot@kitepilot.com</a> wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > No Alexander, Michael is not trolling.<br>
>>> > I know Michael personally and he is a great guy.<br>
>>> > He faces some challenges that most of us don't even know exist, and he<br>
>>> overcomes most of them remarkably.<br>
>>> > I will not extend about the challenges he faces, but I will indicate<br>
>>> that he deserves the patience, the help and the respect.<br>
>>> > Not all hackers are created equally... :)<br>
>>> > Best!<br>
>>> > Enrique A. Troconis<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Snyder, Alexander J writes:<br>
>>> >> I often wonder if the vague emails from "Michael" are just trolling the<br>
>>> >> Plug Distro... testing our patience and willingness to help! "I can't<br>
>>> log in" ....<br>
>>> >> "How do I print" ... Thanks,<br>
>>> >> Alexander. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+<br>
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