<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">alternatively you could choose something like this.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-16GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B003YMJPE8">https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-16GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B003YMJPE8</a></font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">or <a href="https://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Capacity-Promotion-Internal-Upgrade/dp/B015CIAZCW/">https://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Capacity-Promotion-Internal-Upgrade/dp/B015CIAZCW/</a></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Carruth, Rusty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com" target="_blank">Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, but it wasn't (as far as I could tell) wearing out the media.<br>
<br>
But, since they're cheap, it might be interesting if someone tried that and let us know how it goes...<br>
<br>
(and I should mention we have the same problem with using them as FreeDOS boot (and thus C:). We write some data there, but nothing like using it for swap ;-)<br>
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</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:52 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.<wbr>org</a><br>
Subject: Re: NVMe: was Building a Linux Computer?<br>
<br>
For boot I would think they would work for darn near forever since they <br>
will be getting little in the way of writes. For / on the other hand, <br>
especially if you put some home and tmp directories on them, there are <br>
enough writes to kill them quickly.<br>
<br>
Brian Cluff<br>
<br>
On 05/29/2018 08:37 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:<br>
> BEWARE! Some vendors will not support using their USB sticks as boot drives!<br>
><br>
><br>
> For example, Kingston DataTraveller sticks are EXPLICITLY NOT SUPPORTED (that is to say, warranty is voided) if you use them as a boot drive!!!!! (I know because I asked them)<br>
><br>
> I've got about 20 of the Kingston stick that ended up dying after being used as / - YMMV if you ONLY use it for /boot. Now, if you reformat them they will work for a while, then die again, at least when used this way.<br>
><br>
> NOT recommended as / MIGHT work as /boot.<br>
><br>
> I think I've got a few cruzers that failed also, but I'd have to look.<br>
><br>
> Rusty<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.phxlinux.org</a>] On Behalf Of Brian Cluff<br>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 12:16 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.<wbr>org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: NVMe: was Building a Linux Computer?<br>
><br>
> I was thinking about one of those super low profile usb flash drives like:<br>
> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Low-Profile-Drive-SDCZ33-016G-B35/dp/B005FYNSZA" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/<wbr>SanDisk-Cruzer-Low-Profile-<wbr>Drive-SDCZ33-016G-B35/dp/<wbr>B005FYNSZA</a><br>
> That is small enough that it won't get bumped and broken easily and you<br>
> would have to go out of your way to pull it out of the system since<br>
> there isn't much to grab hold of.<br>
><br>
> As for speed, the amount of data that is coming off of the USB drive is<br>
> minimal, so even if it was a little slow it wouldn't really slow down<br>
> the boot process much.<br>
> Besides, who cares about the boot time. The real bonus will be programs<br>
> starting instantly once you are up and running on and NVMe.<br>
><br>
> Brian Cluff<br>
><br>
> On 05/25/2018 10:04 PM, Steve Litt wrote:<br>
>> Knowing my luck I'd lose that USB drive (I assume you mean a thumb<br>
>> drive, not a USB connected spinner). Am I correct that /boot on the<br>
>> thumb drive would slow the boot process, but everything after early<br>
>> boot would take place at NVMe speed? I'm not particularly choosy about<br>
>> boot speed. Go make a cup of tea.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>><br>
>> SteveT<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, 25 May 2018 12:57:45 -0700<br>
>> Brian Cluff <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com">brian@snaptek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> You can always get a physically very small USB drive and put /boot<br>
>>> and the boot block on that. Then everything else can go on the NVMe.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Brian Cluff<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 05/25/2018 12:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:<br>
>>>> Maybe you can get a rip-roaring machine, but how so if that post<br>
>>>> 2005 computer can't boot of NVMe? What do you do, take the UEFI<br>
>>>> info and the /boot off another drive, and use the NVMe for / ? Or<br>
>>>> do you boot off another drive, and then carve up the (assumedly<br>
>>>> small) NVMe into /usr, /lib, /run ? Life gets a lot more<br>
>>>> complicated if the machine can't boot the NVMe.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> SteveT<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, 23 May 2018 01:16:21 -0700<br>
>>>> Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> well, the beauty about the "add-in" cards is that you can use any<br>
>>>>> PCI-e slot on just about any desktop that is newer than vintage<br>
>>>>> 2005. YYou will end up with a rip-roaring fast machine. :)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -eric<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Oohh! Oohh!! Something I can answer :-)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1 - yes and no. Yes, you can replace, but no, you (almost<br>
>>>>>> certainly) need to get a PCIe card which converts PCIe on the<br>
>>>>>> motherboard to NVMe on the ssd. We have one of those at work, not<br>
>>>>>> too expensive as I recall.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 2 - You should be able to. Don't know if that's implemented or<br>
>>>>>> not.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 3 - /dev/nvme0n1 as an example. So, for SATA, its /dev/sd<x> for<br>
>>>>>> nvme, you get a /dev/nvme0 and then you get /dev/nvme0n1 for the<br>
>>>>>> actual drive, as I remember. I don't remember what the partitions<br>
>>>>>> turn up as, but I THINK they were /dev/nvme0n1p1 or something like<br>
>>>>>> that. A second NVMe drive would be /dev/nvme0n2 I think.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 4 - it should. Now, you MIGHT need some updated stuff, for<br>
>>>>>> example smartctl may or may not work with NVMe on your distro.<br>
>>>>>> And you'll probably need to download the nvme tool that gives you<br>
>>>>>> control sort of like hdparm. Using an 'old' distribution might<br>
>>>>>> be a problem (for some value of 'old')<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>> From: PLUG-discuss<br>
>>>>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.phxlinux.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
>>>>>> Steve Litt Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:30 PM To:<br>
>>>>>> <a href="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.<wbr>org</a> Subject: NVMe: was Building a<br>
>>>>>> Linux Computer?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 13:57:29 -0700<br>
>>>>>> Brian Cluff <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com">brian@snaptek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> For me, I would get a system that can use a NVMe. They are about<br>
>>>>>>> the same price as an SSD, but make and SSD look extremely slow.<br>
>>>>>> This is the first I've heard of NVMe. I just read<br>
>>>>>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>NVM_Express</a> , and now have some<br>
>>>>>> questions:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1) Can I replace the spinning platter 2.5" hard disk in my 5 year<br>
>>>>>> old laptop with an NVMe device? My research tells me an NVMe must<br>
>>>>>> plug into a PCIe slot rather than a SATA slot.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 2) Do you fstrim NVMe-hosted partitions the same way you do for<br>
>>>>>> SSD?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 3) When you install an NVMe card in a PCIe slot, what device name<br>
>>>>>> shows up? Is it sd-whatever, or something else?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 4) If my desktop has a free PCIe slot, does that mean I can plug<br>
>>>>>> in an NVIe drive and use it?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> SteveT<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Steve Litt<br>
>>>>>> June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/28" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.troubleshooters.<wbr>com/28</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
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