<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Mike, this is for a small church. The apps are so simple (playing MP3s or MP4s) that repairs would not be complicated and might be substitution of another computer. But I really want to stack the odds for reliability as much as I can (within reason). My simple mind has leaned towards all new components.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, some questions:</div><div class=""><ul class=""><li class="">Am I unreasonable to distrust recycled desktops?</li><li class="">Todd, how old are the “parts computers” that you have been buying?</li><li class="">Are brand-new computers an improved technology, or maybe lower quality assembly?</li><li class="">Would my project suffer from sitting idle most of each week?</li></ul></div><div class=""><b class="">I have had a bad experience with second hand, but that was laptops.</b></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">(I’ve been told that laptop failures are all on the mother board, or those built-to-fail power cords.)</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">But my application is different: it’s a desktop</b>, which will be sitting on a shelf and being run for just a few hours a week. I expect that would be more reliable over time, and desktops let us swap components.</div><div><div class="">_________________________</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On 20171206, at 14:45, Michael Butash <<a href="mailto:michael@butash.net" class="">michael@butash.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">If this is going to run for a business, I'd suggest buying a moderate dell server or decent workstation ala precision or poweredge. You can get 40-50% off deals from Dell Financial Services regularly for some 2-3yr old hardware, and still get some warranty. I always buy Dell Outlet refurbs, get full warranty, and wait for good coupons on whatever I'm looking for at the time.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If it dies, you probably want to know you can get a part replaced reasonably fast. Fry's never fails to let me down when I need some critical in a pinch not having it, and there's really no where else left local.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-mb</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Victor Odhner <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:vodhner@cox.net" target="_blank" class="">vodhner@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT<i class=""><b class="">!</b></i>)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos (1920x1080 projector) for a church.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good performance and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We wouldn’t be at the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp corner. My main backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some years, and the apps are basic enough that our other users would be comfortable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid quality (e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to worry about it for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or almost.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put together a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Victor</div><div class="">_________________</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington <<a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-4302842380303900576Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel NUC. but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows or OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides out there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider. <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device. <br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com" target="_blank" class="">Rusty.Carruth@smartm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-4302842380303900576m_1896476210255005382WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you actually tried to install 10? I have. Goodness, talk about a step back into pre-history!
It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it wouldn’t boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that configuration – and no way to override their ‘help’!)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage (with SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">But that’s just me ;-)</span></p>
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?</span></p></div></div><div class=""><div class="m_-4302842380303900576h5"><p class="">I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have touch-screens now) or a small iMac.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">Stick to the KISS principle here. <span class="m_-4302842380303900576m_1896476210255005382smiley-happy">:-)</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">-David Schwartz<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><p class="">On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner <<a href="mailto:vodhner@cox.net" target="_blank" class="">vodhner@cox.net</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">Spun off from the Genius discussion:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line, but he won’t say anything about the next release.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution reasons. Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a
<strong class="">new</strong> desktop (laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them hopefully 5+ years of reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="">Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our video projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our Digital Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted most of our library to MP3s and I can still use
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