<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I work in the networking field and I can tell you that the idea that all traffic can be treated equally is nonsense. If you want services esp latency sensitive ones like voice and video to be delivered reliably then there will be traffic shaping. Bandwidth is a limited resource. <div><br></div><div>p.s. do not want to hijack the thread if anyone wants to discuss further open a new thread. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Michael Butash <<a href="mailto:michael@butash.net">michael@butash.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net neutrality never really was to begin with. From the beginnings of time, there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always been happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority and/or limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which assuredly they already do now too.<div><br></div><div>This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows that aren't just random youtube videos. What delay? This is all on the 2nd to the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.</div><div><br></div><div>Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now. She knows I just pirate everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope. I don't think I watch tv near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are most affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages. </div><div><br></div><div>20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.</div><div><br></div><div>-mb</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:slitt@troubleshooters.com" target="_blank">slitt@troubleshooters.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700<br>
Eric Oyen <<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> well,<br>
> the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can<br>
> get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could<br>
> ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.<br>
<br>
You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash<br>
Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the<br>
media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to<br>
retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,<br>
it's *us* who will be pounding sand.<br>
<br>
SteveT<br>
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