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<p>What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T SSD?</p>
<p>I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud. PhpStorm provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto the staging server and then onto the production server. I'm moving to Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts. Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.</p>
<p>Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD should be enough. </p>
<p>Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious video or image work, or doing lots of compiling... I am think the cloud and thin client hardware is the way to go.</p>
<p>Your thoughts? </p>
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<div dir="ltr">Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15, just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs. intel), and proc (xeon options). Nothing else really different I could tell other than price. I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher than precision discounts.
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<div>I usually just shop <a href="http://bensbargains.com">bensbargains.com</a> or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for some steep savings. I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door. Worst part of buying from dell is sales tax. :(</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700: List $2066, paid $1536<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display – and save around $500. I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise. The primary reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got home and booted Linux on it – whoa!). (Don't know which video card they each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that much... I think)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet or WiFi. I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google search seems to imply it is. But the display! Oh, my goodness!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but 3, yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length. And only 2 RAM slots. Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2 standard slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like they don't have ROOM, for goodness sake! But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000. Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video card...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> PLUG-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss-bounces@l<wbr />ists.phxlinux.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Michael<br /> <strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM<span><br /> <strong>To:</strong> Main PLUG discussion list<br /> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was a touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will install different flavors of linux for you.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed, but I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware for a couple of years, and it is flawless.<u></u><u></u></p>
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