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<p>Jumping a little late . . <br>
</p>
<p>"So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?"
<-- not even close where I work. How about $60-80K lower?<br>
</p>
<p>My employer pays Tata Consulting $66K/year for DBA's. They keep
1/3 so the H1B worker gets $44K. That's $22/hr - soon to be just
double minimum wage. This H1B worker usually comes with a
Master's Degree in Computer Science or similar.</p>
<p>Find me one American with a Graduate Degree in Science willing to
work for $22/hr. Yes, the struggle is real to find talent [that
will work for peanuts]. Almost everyone I know makes more than
that, except those in the fast-food industry. So where's the
incentive to get a degree?<br>
</p>
<p>I call it "exploitation."</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Regards,
George Toft
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/8/2016 10:46 AM, David Schwartz
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:B6AA2902-7516-44AE-8DFF-14EB00ED9421@thetoolwiz.com"
type="cite">
<p>More propaganda from right-wing pro-corporate anti-American
talking heads about a topic they are ill-informed about.</p>
<p>(Most Americans have no clue about US immigraion laws.)</p>
<p>The recent Defense Appropriations Budget opened the floodgates
to H-1B visas, thanks to non-stop lobbying from large US tech
firms like Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, Dell, etc.</p>
<p>I saw something a while back on cable channel that covers
congress, and it was a public meeting of some sort about H-1B
issues. Representatives from Microsoft, HP, and some huge
consulting firm.</p>
<p>One interesting thing they all agreed upon was that their
budget for prosecuting each H-1B visa was $50k. This was ONLY
for the legal fees! Then there was salary, benefits, relocation,
and later on the legal fees and relocation expenses for their
family members.</p>
<p>Forget about annual salaries for a minute, which I don’t
believe are really that much lower for people residing here in
America and awaiting permanent residency (green cards).</p>
<p>Here’s what job offers for US Citizens would look like if they
were comparable to H-1B offers:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>$50k hiring bonus (used for legal fees)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Full relocation (from overseas, way more expensive than
even across country in USA)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Guaranteed job for 6-10 years (how long it takes for green
cards to issue)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Guaranteed on-the-job training for whatever new projects
these people are destined to fill during their 6-10 year
tenure</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Full relocation to other cities that might have projects
these people can fill to keep employed</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Tacit agreement to never complain, never file any kind of
labor actions or lawsuits against the company for any reason
at all</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?</p>
<p>Would YOU accept a job with these “benefits” for a slightly
lower salary like this???</p>
<p>-David Schwartz</p>
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<p>On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Keith Smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:techlists@phpcoderusa.com"><techlists@phpcoderusa.com></a> wrote:</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>While at the polls I talked with a man running for Chandler
City Council who told me the H1B Visa was necessary because
there are not enough qualified Americans to fill those
positions.</p>
<p>I do not agree. And if it is true then why, for example, is
there no Microsoft University that finds those with the talent
and help develop them into the qualified employee they are
looking for? It is my understanding M$ is one of the biggest
users of the H1B Visa program.</p>
<p>This is an example of there not being an shortage. -->>
McDonald's lays off 70 American accountants from Ohio and
gives their jobs to foreign workers as part of cost-cutting
exercise</p>
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