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<p>Hey Michael, thanks for all the info. Being as I'm not ON Linux
yet, I'm going to save this for when I am.</p>
<p>Not Realtek, it's Conexant. Prolly about the same. But def not a
driver issue; drivers don't touch the problem whether generic or
not, new or old. It's def something HP and or MS did. I've given
up. Weeks ago I posted the Q on MS tech-whatever, and haven't
heard a peep. The knowledge of how to fix it is buried and
forgotten like the Statue of Liberty in Planet of the Apes. And
maybe for the same reason....<br>
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<p>I dunno what the high-end people do - well, they use Macs. Don't
need a patchbay, I just demo my stuff living-room style so I have
something to show to other musicians to get the idea of my songs.
But that step is crucially important to me. Today I started
tracking guitar, which I don't really play and couldn't hear, of
course, due to someome's malfeasance. Just have to guess whether
the track is good enough as I go, and then review later, and punch
in if needed.<br>
</p>
<p>No doubt Linux makes hardware specs avail better than LOSEdows
does; I can't find jack poopie about the soundcard, and I've been
through all the LOSEdows info thises and info thats.</p>
<p>When my old Pavilion breaks, I might take that dust-gatherer if
its issues aren't too horrible. :-)</p>
<p>- Vara<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/1/2016 4:37 PM, Michael Butash
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Interesting, can't say I've ever used
sound input hard-switched to output in that capacity, but seems
like something that would require a driver, or at least some
method of communications to change the hardware. I doubt that's
a default behavior, or at least I've never seen it to be,
probably more up to the chip, where those like realtek's are
known to be quirky anyways. Add in crappy mangled HP oem win
builds, and who knows.<br>
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How about under linux? If nothing else, try live booting and
examine the /proc/asound states of hardware mixing devices if
the are even actually capable. It's easier to examine the
hardware capabilities than under windoze imho. Try booting
Ubuntu Studio live cd and see if that with low-latency kernel +
jack can reproduce your i/o requirements with the same hardware.<br>
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People do mixing commonly with linux and jack for production it
seems, maybe give you back some life expectancy there. I've
been watching for a cheap(er) RME HDSPe card to play with as
they are known linux friendly and used in mega-production
studios for i/o patching across exotic multi-channel pcm
transport like madi, raydat, adat, aes, etc. I considered
replacing my pioneer receiver with my htpc and a few adat
breakout boxes for sound mixing, but even used they aren't
*cheap* still. Plus I haven't as I haven't figured out a good
way to make my remote switch sources yet, but if you're mixing
studio inclined, you'll have a display and mouse anyways to work
with the patchbay ui connections.<br>
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HP hardware in consumer space is typically crap, particularly
the Pavilions (no offense). Every one in my experience in
dismantling (which is several) is dying/has already died from a
bad power connector as the worst issue, and replacing them is no
fun. They generally just fall apart otherwise in general from
what I've seen when tearing them apart. I've soldered new power
jacks into them grudgingly for friends, they are not fun to work
on/in. Same for lcd hinges, fans, trackpads, they're always
spindly made and bound to break. Kids with no respect for
technology break them in 3-6 months. <br>
<br>
Last time someone asked me to look at repairing an HP Pavilion
laptop with some mix of said issues, I refused calling it
disposable and to treat it as such. It still sits here
collecting dust left from my friend.<br>
<br>
The enterprise stuff isn't bad though. I actually had an hp
elite business laptop myself with docking and such years ago,
and it was nice, other than being 10lb to lug about, nothing
like the Pavilion lines.<br>
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-mb<br>
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On 09/28/2016 02:50 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:<br>
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<p>I'm typing this on an old HP Pavilion billed as an
"entertainment pc". Nearly every laptop in existence has a
feature sometimes called "input monitor" that allows sound
from the mic or line-in to immediately (without latency) play
back through headphones (but not speakers). It's automatic,
and is an entirely different (and to a musician recording
tracks, it's an incalculably superior) feature to the LOSEdows
high-distortion, high-latency "Listen to this device" feature.
Laying tracks requires constant quality control: you
absolutely have to hear what you're playing exactly when you
play it - and some instruments are best recorded "direct-in"
with no external amp/monitor (and thus no hassles with mics).
Further, if you're laying a track on top of other tracks -
say, a bass track for your existing drum track - you have to
hear your run-time bass and your recorded drums precisely
together without any humanly discernible delay anywhere in the
chain.</p>
<p>Guess whether HP inexplicably and inexcusably disabled that
feature - which nearly every other computer in existence has.
Mine is old and I cannot find the information about which
registry keys (allegedly) re-enable it. This HP Pavilion is
utterly worthless for the task I bought it to perform, and I
have no money to replace it.<br>
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<p>Worse even than that, is the kinda heartbreaking thread from
a musician who spent hundreds and hundreds on a Pavilion <i>when
it was new </i>and then found it was exactly as worthless
for him - and found that HP absolutely would not even <i>respond
</i>to his repeated requests for help and support even back
then. The thread still exists on their own forum where he's
practically begging for support.</p>
<p>More than you wanted to know? It's just so that any would-be
HP apologists can maybe feel the helpless frustration and rage
when a customer-hostile and fraudulent company knowingly
sabotages their product and does not state that they have done
so. HP makes a habit of it.<br>
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Go out of business, HP. The sooner the better.<br>
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