<div dir="ltr">PLUG members are so generous.<div>I've found many LUG members are generous. When I first moved to Gainesville I had to replace my desktop (which had been fried by lightening just 3 days before). I post a message to the local lug group asking for a donation and lots of people offered. Then someone axed me from the lug list! </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Eric Oyen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eric.oyen@icloud.com" target="_blank">eric.oyen@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hehe. I have a number of older model desktops (including an old Intel pentium 3 Ghz cpu) that can run the latest versions of Linux easily. That is generally what happens to a lot of my older equipment. I dump windows (or OS X) for the latest working Linux.<br>
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Hell, I still have that old toshiba satellite laptop with the semi working screen here. it gets used to control my ham station by remote. Not bad , all things considered. BTW< that laptop was donated by a fellow plug member over 8 years ago. It still works and still does its job. :)<br>
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On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Michael Havens wrote:<br>
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> why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not counting laptops---- used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)<br>
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> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith <<a href="mailto:techlists@phpcoderusa.com">techlists@phpcoderusa.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.<br>
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> On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:<br>
> time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.<br>
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> I like alternatives. I run Mint on my desktop. I've been fortunate enough that it just worked so it was cost effective. I like buying discounted hardware and putting Linux on it. I would have difficulty leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more.... yikes.<br>
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> Still time is money. All things being equal, a top end programmer might make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits. Is it cost effective to have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware? Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something that gets them to work as fast as possible. I think that was the one of the points of the article.<br>
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> I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$. Why because it did the job. Until several years ago I did not like Linux on my desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions dating back to 2000.<br>
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> I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with Linux admin skills messing with their own hardware.<br>
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> Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here<br>
> is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their<br>
> network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for<br>
> specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007<br>
> vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key<br>
> is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to<br>
> another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work<br>
> (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info<br>
> from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes<br>
> they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .<br>
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> -eric<br>
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> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:<br>
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> "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver issues.... etc. Time is money!!<br>
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