<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I am at least one of the women who has been asked - many times - to</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> present and declined to do so due to crippling problems with public</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> speaking.  I've given short talks in the past and it's been ugly (for</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> me), though feedback from you lovely people </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">was positive so thanks for that</span>.  Others have offered to work with me by presenting content that I</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> compose, which I have failed to produce.  btw Hans - I haven't forgotten</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> and swear I have about half (maybe...) of a pki thing in the works!</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> I've also been involved in decision-making where it's been needed, and</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> leadership-like activities, without any pushback from a single soul.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> Remind me please where I am being marginalized?</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I would argue, and anyone is welcome to disagree in their own opinion,</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> that "more women for the sake of more women" accomplishes nothing.  More</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> smart folks who dig Linux/free software is what I work for, choosing to</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> ignore gender.  My ovaries don't know Linux, I do.  At the risk of a</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> flame war, we're more equal if we're not defined by our gender but by</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">our achievements - everyone, male or female, or any other demographic</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> (race, religion, socioeconomic, etc).  This is my opinion, I offer it</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> only as something to think on not to argue.  As far as I'm concerned</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> I've said my piece on this topic and will not debate it any further in this conversation.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I more so want to address an earlier comment, at risk of treading on</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> that individual's privacy and calling undue attention, but I feel it's</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> important.  You raised objection to someone's physical posture and tics</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> as being somehow related to them being rude to you and then called</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> them an idiot.  Very mature response, I might add.  As someone with a neurological status myself that</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> sometimes causes me (blessedly mild) movement-problems and aphasia (speech</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> disturbances), you may want to check your own attitude if you think</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> others are being rude in you rpresence.  The attitude and accusations you've presented are hardly welcoming of diversity.  I guess I'll</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> just take my boobs (+1 woman) and the missing chunk of my brain (-5, rude because neuro damage?) and stay out of</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> your way so I don't cause undue offence.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">I remain of the belief that PLUG is a welcoming environment for all who can themselves behave respectfully and</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> offer myself as a mediator for any specific incidents that could arise</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> or a sounding board for people who have concerns (but not mud slinging and</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> public smearing).</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Jill</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">(I'd like to apologize to the group at large for what may be a somewhat less</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> professional tone of this post than I normally would offer, but that</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> last point has gotten me quite bothered and my editing hand may not be</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"> up to snuff at the moment.  I'm choosing to post in that moment regardless and that's all there is to it.)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">On 2014-12-03 03:17, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG.  Topics are good</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> bit please do not deny lack of diversity.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">><span class=""> </span></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman <<a href="mailto:michelle.lowman@gmail.com" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">michelle.lowman@gmail.com</a>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> wrote:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > Hi all,</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used to</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in the</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software licenses</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that presentation than</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> the audience did.  I’m not a bit shy about doing presentations, so that</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> helps. :)</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that when I</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And some</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > Michelle Lowman</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">brian@snaptek.com</a>> wrote:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> receiving it.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it so</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> that we can do something about it.  We _have_ talked about it in meetings,</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing the action</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> might not ever be aware they are doing it.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> off his wedding ring as being sexist.  However I would point out that if</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> like it's a misunderstanding to me.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> therefore the only person that can be talked to.  He's also the biggest</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> proponent of womens rights that I personally know.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> Brian Cluff</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one particular</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members there,</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other members,</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> act arrogant and rude.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less.</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">brian@snaptek.com</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">mailto:brian@snaptek.com</a>>> wrote:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> ---------------------------------------------------</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list -<span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>><span class=""> </span><a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >>></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> ---------------------------------------------------</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list -<span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> >><span class=""> </span><a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > ---------------------------------------------------</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > PLUG-discuss mailing list -<span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ><span class=""> </span><a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> ---------------------------------------------------</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> PLUG-discuss mailing list -<span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a></font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:</font><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font style="font-family:"Ubuntu Mono";font-size:17px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" color="#737373">><span class=""> </span><a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" style="white-space:normal;word-break:break-all">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss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