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      You should just wipe the drives, that you have, install Linux Mint
      17 XFCE. I use VirtualBox to VM Win7, and VMWare to do the same
      with OS X Mavericks. I've yet to spin my wheels to up-grade to
      Yosemite. LOL!<br>
      <br>
      The Mac is so useless, expensive, and I can get away with it for
      less than $2,400, on my H-P Laptop. <br>
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      On 10/21/2014 04:29 PM, Michael Havens wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAFRvunKWYuoXSiuN0kEHKbU7c73aqAJ_N74kvO3v98L_d_byTw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">how do you change the ap with xfce? I got to tell
        her I tried her suggestion in the least. there is no wireless
        icon in the taskbar.
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
          <div>:-)~MIKE~(-:</div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:04 PM,
            Carruth, Rusty <span dir="ltr"><<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Rusty@smartm.com"
                target="_blank">Rusty@smartm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And
                      I’d do the iwconfig while there to see the
                      strengths….</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org"
                        target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>
                      [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org"
                        target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Partington<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:03 PM<span><br>
                        <b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br>
                      </span><b>Subject:</b> RE: not getting ip address</span></p>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <p>I would second this question. Your connection
                        was showing 0 connection not a wrong ap.</p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 21, 2014 1:01 PM,
                          "Carruth, Rusty" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:Rusty@smartm.com"
                            target="_blank">Rusty@smartm.com</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Did
                                you have her show it working there?</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"> </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org"
                                  target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>
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                                  href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org"
                                  target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>]
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Havens<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2014
                                1:00 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: not getting ip
                                address</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">okay.... I took it in
                                and the tech said she had connected to
                                the net before she gave it back to me.
                                then she said I probably was connecting
                                to the wrong access point. how do you
                                select ap with xfce wm?</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                              </p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:</p>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 21,
                                  2014 at 12:13 PM, Stephen Partington
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
                                <p>That is what it looks like.</p>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 21,
                                        2014 12:06 PM, "Michael Havens"
                                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:</p>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> iwconfig
                                            wlan0</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">wlan0    
                                            IEEE 802.11bgn
                                             ESSID:off/any  </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">         
                                            Mode:Managed  Access Point:
                                            Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20
                                            dBm   </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">         
                                            Retry  long limit:7   RTS
                                            thr:off   Fragment thr:off</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">         
                                            Power Management:off</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">       
                                              </p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">it looks
                                            to me like it is
                                            nponexhistant. so I need to
                                            take it back to the shop
                                            becAuse she disconnected the
                                            antenna. Right?</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br
                                              clear="all">
                                          </p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:</p>
                                          </div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue,
                                              Oct 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM,
                                              Stephen Partington <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>>
                                              wrote:</p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">this post will give you a nudge in the
                                                    right direction, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://superuser.com/questions/272723/wireless-signal-strength-in-linux"
                                                      target="_blank">http://superuser.com/questions/272723/wireless-signal-strength-in-linux</a></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                    style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">the key line is "</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black;background:#eeeeee">Link
                                                    Quality=74/100
                                                    Signal level=-61 dBm
                                                    Noise level=-107 dBm</span><span
                                                    style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">" If you have a wireless device but
                                                    those signals are
                                                    low/nonexistent your
                                                    antenna might have
                                                    been disconnected in
                                                    some way. also if
                                                    you have a definite
                                                    wireless device but
                                                    poor levels try
                                                    moving abnormally
                                                    close to your AP,
                                                    like right next to
                                                    it and see what the
                                                    DB levels look like.
                                                    secondary hint that
                                                    the wireless issue
                                                    is an antenna issue.</span></p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                      Tue, Oct 21, 2014
                                                      at 11:40 AM,
                                                      Michael Havens
                                                      <<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      wrote:</p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">kind
                                                        of connectivity,
                                                        DB levels, fully
                                                        connected? How
                                                        do I determine
                                                        that? </p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                        </p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, Oct 21,
                                                          2014 at 11:36
                                                          AM, Stephen
                                                          Partington
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                          style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">what kind of connectivity are you
                                                          getting, DB
                                                          levels and the
                                                          like on your
                                                          wireless. is
                                                          it even fully
                                                          connecting?</span></p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, Oct 21,
                                                          2014 at 11:35
                                                          AM, Michael
                                                          Havens <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Can
                                                          get an ip with
                                                          an ethernet.
                                                          Now what?</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                          </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, Oct 21,
                                                          2014 at 11:25
                                                          AM, Stephen M
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:smelheim85@gmail.com" target="_blank">smelheim85@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Michael,</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've heard in the past that when people fix
                                                          the keyboard
                                                          in a laptop. 
                                                          That sometimes
                                                          that can knock
                                                          off the
                                                          wireless
                                                          adapter <br>
                                                          by accident. 
                                                          Have you tried
                                                          by an Ethernet
                                                          cable?</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, Oct 21,
                                                          2014 at 11:15
                                                          AM, Michael
                                                          Havens <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          just got my
                                                          laptop back
                                                          from the
                                                          repair shop
                                                          and it isn't
                                                          getting an ip
                                                          address. It
                                                          was in the
                                                          shop because  
                                                          the keyboard
                                                          needed
                                                          replacing. Can
                                                          you help me
                                                          figure out why
                                                          it isn't
                                                          getting the
                                                          address?<br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                          </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:</p>
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                                                          clock, will
                                                          prevent you
                                                          from rolling
                                                          over and going
                                                          back to sleep
                                                          after you hit
                                                          the snooze
                                                          button.<span
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                                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">--
                                                    <br>
                                                    A mouse trap, placed
                                                    on top of your alarm
                                                    clock, will prevent
                                                    you from rolling
                                                    over and going back
                                                    to sleep after you
                                                    hit the snooze
                                                    button.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Stephen</p>
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