<div dir="ltr">okay.... I got it going the way I want I unplugged everything from the back of the router and then connected the computer connected to that computer and it connected! I then connected internet to the WAN port and I got internet!<div>Thanks for talking me through this guys.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>:-)~MIKE~(-:</div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, coverturtle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:coverturtle@gmail.com" target="_blank">coverturtle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">Michael,<br>
Here's what to do:<br>
Disconnect all network cables from the router that you want to
connect to and then<br>
run an ethernet cable with the RJ-45 connectors (should be a good
cable!) from a LAN port to the computer.<br>
If you don't get an IP address from the DHCP on the router, then
pull the power cable on the router,<br>
leave the router off for about 30 seconds and then plug the power
back in and wait for the router<br>
lights to come on indicating that the router is fully booted. If
you have DHCP set on your computer,<br>
you should be able to connect to the router. I don't know the
brand of router you are using but it's<br>
probably using an address of 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. If you
get a DHCP address on your computer,<br>
you will be able to tell the address of the router unless it
starts with 169.xxxxx which means that<br>
there is not a connection. If you get a 169.xxxx address, then
reboot the computer and check again.<br>
<br>
Once you have a DCHP address, then the address to type in the
browser is the same as your DHCP address<br>
EXCEPT the last number should be 1 (one): xxx.xxx.xxx.1 - like
so. This should give you a connection<br>
UNLESS this is SECOND router and it has taken it's address from
the first router. In that case, make sure<br>
you have disconnected the WAN cable from the second router and
reboot it by power cycling. No need to<br>
factory reset the router if you know the password. It should
connect OK. When connected, make sure you<br>
find the menu item that allows you to set the router up as a
repeater or a bridge. If you set it up as a<br>
bridge, then the xxx.xxx.xxx.1 address will be for router number
one. The second router will have a DHCP <br>
address assigned by the first router. You will need to access the
first router in order to determine <br>
the DHCP address of router.<br>
<br>
Here's the gotcha: for security reasons router manufacturers
program the firmware to initialize routers only<br>
with physical ethernet/network cable connected to a single
computer. So if you have trouble with the router,<br>
you need to isolate it from the network and use only a single
computer (and maybe a WAN/internete connection).<br>
<br>
It's rather tedious for both of us to type back and forth because
I don't know exactly what you are doing or how<br>
your network (LAN) is connected so let me know if you want to use
a skype connection. My Skype name is <br>
jonkettenhofen BUT I have blocked all but friends so you will need
to let me know what your skype name is.<br>
Allowing me to see your setup will make setup go faster, easier
and I'll be able to help you clear up your<br>
understanding of your home network (hopefully!) It's up to you.<br>
<br>
Hope that helps some,<br>
Jon<br>
<br>
''<br>
<br>
<br>
I got a problem. I'm trying to update it but can't get into the
configuration page (192.168.1.1). I tried resetting the device (I
depressed the reset button for 65 seconds) but to no avail. Any
ideas?Â
<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
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<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:52 AM,
Michael Butash <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@butash.net" target="_blank">michael@butash.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Vlan isolation, inside and outside for simplest of
terms. Vlan 1 is inside, Vlan 2 is outside. By
nature, one cannot reach another, thus Virtual LAN's.<br>
<br>
In the middle sits a bridge, and iptables mangles
packets between them. This is your nat, firewall,
application inspection, etc.<br>
<br>
A process on the wan grabs a dhcp address, adds it
outside, and a default route to the upstream dslam or
cmts. It also registers it as the external address to
nat your internal traffic as to the world, effectively
hiding your internal routable subnets.<br>
<br>
The inside vlan uses a private address, usually <a href="http://192.168.1.1/24" target="_blank">192.168.1.1/24</a>
by default. This gives you 253 usable address, and
gives out a subset of that via dhcp. When clients come
up wired or wireless, they get an address from the dhcp
server when they broadcast for an address.<br>
<br>
Routers usually bridge the wireless 802.11 radio(s) to
this vlan as well, bringing them all into the <a href="http://192.168.1.0/24" target="_blank">192.168.1.0/24</a>
subnet on that vlan. The DHCP server gives wired or
wireless clients a local <a href="http://192.168.1.0/24" target="_blank">192.168.1.0/24</a>
address out of the subset it hands out, including the
gateway for the subnet (itself, 192.168.1.1), and dns
servers for it, again itself.<br>
<br>
They get a local dns server that is usually dnsmasq
running on the router, caching and forwarding to the
upstream provider dns servers given externally to the
router when it gets its WAN address. It forwards your
requests on mostly.<br>
<br>
Wireless does some form of security, hopefully, letting
client onto the ssid with a pre-share key or some
other. No wpa1, only wpa2+aes. Tkip is exploitable,
so is wps pin registration (easily crackable without
mitigation routines).<br>
<br>
Most routers these days use dd-wrt, or some variant,
usually some oem abomination hack of linux. Your
wrt54g is like the granddaddy of dd-wrt routers, see
what generation it is and see if it's upgradable.Â
Probably doing yourself a favor upgrading the 10yr old
firmware to something secure anyways, keeping some
foreign entity from redirecting your dns for bank
servers to snatch your credentials.<br>
<br>
Clear as mud? Google lots of those words.<span class=""><span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-mb</font></span>
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<br>
<br>
On 10/19/2014 12:31 AM, Michael Havens wrote:<br>
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<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">so the port I'm wondering about is an
input port then. I thought I read that it is also
a wan part. How does that work? Like I know the
internet is a wan but how does it work in this
case?
<div><br>
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<div>:-)~MIKE~(-:</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at
10:27 PM, koder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iscreamkid@gmail.com" target="_blank">iscreamkid@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class=""> Mike,<br>
<br>
I have the same device in my networking
system. My answer may not be 100% correct,
but here is my SWAG: <br>
<br>
The device was designed to serve as a router
with DHCP server capabilities, in other
words it hands out IP addresses to requests
that come from one of the output ports.<br>
<br>
You can access the device using its web page
and turn that feature off, it then acts as a
bridge router and the DHCP functioning will
come from further upsteam, from your other
router.<br>
<br>
The network will not function correctly if
you have two different devices trying to
pass out IP addresses using DHCP. Everything
pretty much quits talking to each other.<br>
<br>
While I have never tried using the device by
plugging everything only into the output
ports, I am guessing that connection setup
would use the device as a bare dumb switch.
No more double DHCP, only happy
connectivity.<br>
<br></span>
I am reasonably sure my explanation is not
technically correct, but is functional. I
was quite loose with input, output,
upstream, and downstream analogies, but
that is the way I think of them.<span class=""><br>
<br>
By the way on a separate item, it is my
understanding that most of these devices are
hacked and infected and should be either
upgraded, or replaced. I have yet to do
either, but I think that is the case.<br>
<br>
HM
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 10/17/2014 03:08 PM, Michael
Havens wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr"><span class="">That is the router I
have. On the back there are 4 LAN
ports and another port labled
Internet. My setup had the cable
from the modem feeding into that
port and everything worked until a
couple of days ago. Today I switched
that cable to a LAN port and
everything worked again. I asked in
another thread the purpose of the
internet port and MR Butash gave me
an answer but it is still a lot
hazy. In my research to answer the
question myself I found a wikipedia
article that states:
<div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><br>
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</span><div><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">The
original </span><b style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">WRT54G</b><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"> was
first released in December 2002.
It has a 4+1 port </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch" title="Network switch" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px;background-image:none;background-repeat:initial" target="_blank">network switch</a><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"> (the
Internet/WAN port is part of the
same internal network switch,
but on a different </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN" title="VLAN" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px;background-image:none;background-repeat:initial" target="_blank">VLAN</a><span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px">).</span><span class=""><br clear="all">
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</div>
<div>My questions: What is that
port for if not to be an input
port for the internet</div>
<div>and</div>
<div>Why was it working as an
input port for the internet and
why did it stop working as such?</div>
<div>:-)~MIKE~(-:</div>
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