<div dir="ltr"><div>I have found the best number to watch is the amount of swap used. If that grows, then you need more RAM. If you are running slow and not using swap, then adding RAM won't help.<br><br></div>Mark<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Carruth, Rusty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Rusty@smartm.com" target="_blank">Rusty@smartm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Unless his problem is LACK of ram. Yes, I know it said 489M free. Without a look at top I’m not convinced yet that he won’t see any improvement.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Here is ‘top’ from a machine which is pretty un-loaded:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">top - 16:40:14 up 63 days, 1:12, 3 users, load average: 0.42, 0.62, 0.67<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tasks: 287 total, 1 running, 282 sleeping, 0 stopped, 4 zombie<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cpu(s): 3.8%us, 0.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mem: 2564652k total, 2053712k used, 510940k free, 91448k buffers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Swap: 6095864k total, 371340k used, 5724524k free, 516624k cached<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And here’s a top from one of our servers:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">top - 16:42:03 up 141 days, 19:59, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tasks: 274 total, 1 running, 273 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">%Cpu(s): 3.1 us, 0.6 sy, 0.0 ni, 96.0 id, 0.3 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KiB Mem: 32898652 total, 32469852 used, 428800 free, 2711252 buffers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KiB Swap: 33506300 total, 1224 used, 33505076 free, 22613684 cached<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(yeah, 32G of ram. I can edit (using emacs) a 20G file with NO problems. I know because I have)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Again, nice and responsive (but then this machine says:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">/var/log/dmesg:[ 0.000007] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 4399.98 BogoMIPS (lpj=8799976)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">/var/log/dmesg:[ 0.121190] smpboot: Total of 4 processors activated (17599.95 BogoMIPS)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So I suppose that’s a pretty hot machine.)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">On the OTHER hand, look at this machine, which runs pretty much as well as everything ELSE here I’ve mentioned:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">top - 16:45:51 up 51 days, 23:59, 28 users, load average: 4.79, 4.46, 4.51<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tasks: 335 total, 1 running, 330 sleeping, 0 stopped, 4 zombie<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">%Cpu(s): 70.4 us, 0.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 28.6 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KiB Mem: 8159892 total, 7781364 used, 378528 free, 290460 buffers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">KiB Swap: 2086908 total, 0 used, 2086908 free, 5508492 cached<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">/var/log/dmesg:[ 0.000001] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using timer frequency.. 5985.88 BogoMIPS (lpj=11971768)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">/var/log/dmesg:[ 0.074024] smpboot: Total of 2 processors activated (11971.76 BogoMIPS)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Again, fast cpu, but then I’ve got 4 processor-bound applications running all the time on it so its at a load average of 4.79. I’ve remembered that the important numbers come from:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">%Cpu(s): 70.4 us, 0.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 28.6 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If that said:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">%Cpu(s): 70.4 us, 0.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 0.6 id, 26.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You’d have something of a slow machine. If it said:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">%Cpu(s): 20.4 us, 0.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 8.6 id, 70.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.1 si, 0.0 st<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Youd be going to lunch while waiting for it to finish whatever you were doing, if I remember the numbers right.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">I look forward to hearing what Mike discovers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Phillips<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:36 PM<span class=""><br><b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br></span><b>Subject:</b> Re: memory<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mike,<br><br>On page 91 of the Dell Dimension C521 that I sent to you, you can use memory sticks at 533 MHz, 667 MHz, and 800 MHz. Since the original ones are 800 MHz, you did the right thing by changing your order from 533 MHz to 800 MHz. <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bottom line...unless you were doing a lot of RAM intensive computations on this machine, you won't see a lot of performance improvement for your investment of $50 in the memory.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Havens <<a href="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank">bmike1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I emailed the company I bought the ram from and they said they would send the 800 Mhz instead of the chips advertised. If that happens I don't know. If it does not happen should I get the matching 533Mhz ram or can I have the mismatching speeds (will it default the the slower speed)?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">:-)~MIKE~(-:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, <<a href="mailto:techlists@phpcoderusa.com" target="_blank">techlists@phpcoderusa.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>I did a search on "CPU family 15 Model 79 Stepping 2" and this is what I found.<br><br><a href="http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html" target="_blank">http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Sempron%2064%203400%2B%20-%20SDA3400IAA3CN%20%28SDA3400CNBOX%29.html</a><br><br>And here is the benchmark I found <a href="http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B" target="_blank">http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Sempron+3400%2B</a><br><br>I would say at least in part the cause of your computer being slow is the CPU.<br><br>I'd be interested to hear if more RAM makes a difference. Of course RAM might effect performance if you are doing something that requires a lot of RAM. I assume more RAM will effect compile speed.<br><br>This is a testament to Linux breathing life into old iron.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br><br>On 2014-10-09 14:03, Michael Havens wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">bmike1@C521 ~ $ lscpu<br>Architecture: x86_64<br>CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit<br>Byte Order: Little Endian<br>CPU(s): 1<br>On-line CPU(s) list: 0<br>Thread(s) per core: 1<br>Core(s) per socket: 1<br>Socket(s): 1<br>NUMA node(s): 1<br>Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD<br>CPU family: 15<br>Model: 79<br>Stepping: 2<br>CPU MHz: 1000.000<br>BogoMIPS: 2004.24<br>Virtualization: AMD-V<br>L1d cache: 64K<br>L1i cache: 64K<br>L2 cache: 512K<br>NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0<br><br>:-)~MIKE~(-:<br><br>On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, <<a href="mailto:techlists@phpcoderusa.com" target="_blank">techlists@phpcoderusa.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">what CPU does that box have?<br><br>On 2014-10-09 09:36, Mark Phillips wrote:<br>Michael,<br><br>It seems the max memory is 4GB for that system - 4 banks of 1 GB<br>sticks.<br>RAM memory Capacity - 4 GB<br>Memory Type - DDR2 SDRAM - DIMM 240-pin<br>Data Integrity Check - Non-ECC<br>Speed - 667 MHz ( PC2-5300 )<br>Features - Dual rank , unbuffered<br><br>You already have 2 1GB sticks in the machines - what speed are<br>they?<br>You should match the speed for all four sticks.<br><br>The second set you mentioned are only 533 MHz, whereas your bus is<br>667<br>MHz. If your system is slow, get the fastest memory you can afford.<br><br>Mark<br><br>On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Carruth, Rusty <<a href="mailto:Rusty@smartm.com" target="_blank">Rusty@smartm.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>Yes, 1024 is one gig, but often some memory is stolen by the<br>motherboard – for example if you have an on-board graphics card<br>that uses main memory for its RAM.<br><br> <br><br>Personally, if you can afford it and the 4G is less than 2x the 2G<br>I’d get 4G – but if you could find 2x2G sticks then you could<br>have 6G total – not bad IMHO.<br><br> <br><br> <br><br>FROM: <a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>] ON BEHALF OF<br>Michael Havens<br>SENT: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:43 PM<br>TO: PLUG<br>SUBJECT: memory<br><br> <br><br>I know this is a stupid question but...<br><br> <br><br>I got a Dell dimension c521. It is slow so I figure I should add<br>memory. There are 4 memory slots with 2 being used. How much memory<br>is that? Well, the cards that are in there say it they are two<br>cards with 1024 mb apiece. 'free -h' reports<br><br> <br><br>free -h<br><br> total used free <br> <br> shared buffers cached<br><br>Mem: 1.9G 1.4G 489M 18M<br> 59M 535M<br><br> <br><br>isn't 1024 one gig? Where is the rest?<br><br> <br><br>SHould I buy this?<br><br> <br><br>NEW 4GB 4X1GB DDR2 PC2-5300 667MHZ RAM MEMORY FOR DELL DIMENSION<br>C521 [1]<br><br> <br><br>or should I get this?<br><br> <br><br>2GB (2X1GB) RAM MEMORY CMS COMPATIBLE WITH DELL DIMENSION C521<br>DESKTOP [2]<br><br>:-)~MIKE~(-:<br>---------------------------------------------------<br>PLUG-discuss mailing list - <a href="mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a> [1] [3]<br><br>Links:<br>------<br>[1]<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/4x1GB-PC2-5300-667MHz-Memory-Dimension/dp/B00KFND9SC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-1&keywords=dimension+c521+memory</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">[2]<br>[2]<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-Dell-Dimension-C521-Desktop/dp/B00BL30RZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412798813&sr=1-3&keywords=dimension+c521+memory</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">[3]<br>[3] <a href="http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss</a> [1]<br><br>---------------------------------------------------<br>PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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