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      I would think that the Linux Kernel will incorporate some type of
      equivalent / better version of this BIOS replacement. <br>
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      On 09/11/2014 11:07 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:<br>
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          ms,sans-serif">That is interesting. but i am not sure that
          will be a full solution, great fro citrix however.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John
          J. Macey <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jjmacey@gmail.com" target="_blank">jjmacey@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                Stephen,<br>
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                I am not sure, if this addresses the issue completely
                (or, at all), <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc1NDg"
                  target="_blank">Xen EFI Support Being Added To Linux
                  3.17</a>. Whenever a new kernel rolls out, I always
                up-date my machine.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                    John</font></span>
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                    On 09/11/2014 10:44 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:<br>
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                        style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I am
                        a big fan of UEFI secure boot from the context
                        of security. I am not a fan that the industry
                        let MS set the rules. I think form the
                        perspective of securing your firmware/bios and
                        making a secure chain boot handoff to an OS with
                        full disk encryption it will significantly
                        reduce the shenanigans that can be performed on
                        your mobile computing devices and even slow down
                        rootkits for a while.</div>
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                        style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">But
                        unfortunately that did not happen and MS
                        dictated the rules. The linux world can easily
                        catch up and more but there seems to be a
                        resistance to it that i am unsure of how to put
                        my finger on nor have i yet seen the real logic
                        of the resistance except that it is an MS baby
                        now.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at
                        7:25 AM, John J. Macey <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                <blockquote type="cite"> I'd rather just
                                  move it to a vm under linux until it
                                  can be jettisoned later.</blockquote>
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                              </span> I would go with Michael's idea. I
                              use Virtualbox to play M$ 7, and it <i>boots
                                far, far faster</i> than a stand alone
                              M$ machine. <br>
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                                  John</font></span>
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                                  On 09/11/2014 10:20 AM, Michael Butash
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                                  <div>I think Stephen's spell check
                                    meant UEFI not Jedi, but his
                                    star-wars propensities won.<br>
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                                    You should be able to get ubuntu
                                    working with secureboot, but I've
                                    never done a dual boot personally. 
                                    Make sure you look at it from the
                                    UEFI perspective.  As Stephen also
                                    indicted, you can set to boot in
                                    "legacy mode" too, but that will
                                    break windoze ability to secureboot.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Thank microsoft and their for making
                                    cronie hardware oem's have to
                                    protect their crappy os from
                                    infection (and replacement).  I'd
                                    rather just move it to a vm under
                                    linux until it can be jettisoned
                                    later.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    -mb<br>
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                                    On 09/10/2014 10:08 PM, Stephen
                                    Partington wrote:<br>
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                                    hardware with Jedi secured boot, the
                                    you will need to make sure that the
                                    Jedi firmware is configured to allow
                                    an so besides windows.<br>
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                                    On Wednesday, September 10, 2014,
                                    Seth Jones <<a
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Trying to install
                                        Ubuntu alongside Windows 8. I
                                        have a properly formatted
                                        install disc and have followed
                                        the included instructions, but
                                        no matter what I try, my
                                        computer still boots to Windows.
                                        Can anyone help?</div>
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        A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent
        you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the
        snooze button.<br>
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        Stephen<br>
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