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<p>I'd avoid hp laptops like the plague, traditionally they and toshiba
have been by far the worst laptop vendor for linux support, as they
still play the "oh, no one uses linux" excuse. I abandoned my
personal elitebook as it'd never suspend right, and constantly have disk
issues with them for no apparent reason (seems disk locking/tpm bugs them
out). Their hardware developers work around acpi bugs in bios with
windoze drivers for them, or engineer the bios for broken windoze acpi
implementations. Never really have gotten a clear answer which
direction it actually is, but typically linux hates their idiots that make
their bios.</p>
<p>That said, my current employer gave me a hp elitebook folio that
surprisingly works pretty decently with linux (ubuntu, currently 13.10 on
it). My worst issues pertain to enterprise-y function like wireless,
docking stations, ad/kerberos (likewise/krb5), pam, and lightdm.</p>
<p>Dell on the other hand employees at least one of the more major
contributors to the linux kernel, and haven't had an issue running linux
oob on them since maybe 2008.</p>
<p>-mb</p>
<p>Sent from a carrier unfriendly android device.<br>
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<p>On November 27, 2013 3:15:41 PM Derek Trotter <expat.arizonan@gmail.com>
wrote:</p>
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<font face="Comic Sans MS">I would be careful of the HP laptops if
you're going to put linux on them. You might remember from a few
months ago the trouble I had with my HP desktop running linux. It
liked to lock up at random, sometimes within 20 minutes of booting
up, sometimes it might last a day or two. Recently my sister
asked me to put linux on her HP laptop. I did and it had the same
locking up at random issue.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2013 09:24 AM, Stephen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I have to say i have liked the internal design of
the last two generations. Easy to work on and keep cleaned out.
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<div>well on the latitudes specifically, the inspirons were a
PITA to work on.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:59 AM, keith
smith <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com"
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<span
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<span title="plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">I'm
seeing some decent pricing on laptops for tomorrow
night / Friday morning.</span></div>
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<span title="plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">I have
several HP's and find them to be decent laptops. I
use Dell for my desktop computers and have really
enjoyed their products. <br>
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Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif"><span
title="plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">I'm looking
at a Toshiba that is a decent build and has a really
good price. I owned a Toshiba about 12 years ago
and was not very impressed.</span></div>
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<span title="plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">I hear
there is only 4 manufactures of laptop components,
so I am wondering if the company that does the
assembly and puts their name on the finish product
is all that important.</span></div>
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<span title="plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">You
thoughts on this matter are very important to
me.</span></div>
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<span
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