<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br>Since I started paying attention in about 1983, there has been an overwhelming demand for developers. However the other side of this coin is gaining entry. For me finding that door was not easy. <br><br>One thing life has tough me is most employers are looking for skills and a track record, even for the entry level position.<br><br>My suggestion is first to determine what your passion about. Then learn it and do something on your own. You might want to find a mentor who has experience in that area. The mentor can guide you in what you will need to know to be entry level and what types of things you might do to show you have at least entry level skills. <br><br>Once you have decent skills you may want to keep your day job and start doing side projects until the demand for your side projects
over takes your day job. This may be counter indicated for trying to find a job. I do not know this for a fact, however I hear some or most employers do not like those who are entrepreneurial. However if you would like to be on your won this is a good plan.<br><br>If working for yourself is not for you, then you might start contacting hiring managers and pitch yourself. This will allow you to learn about the demand and what it takes to get one of those jobs.<br><br> <br><div><span><br></span></div><div> </div><div>------------------------<br>Keith Smith</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Trent Shipley <trent_shipley@yahoo.com><br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>; AzIPA <azipa@yahoogroups.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 26, 2013 5:48 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> First Job<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3884283081"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>I would like a very entry level job in programming or in reporting. I'm not worried about the offshore competition. The advertisements say that after 5 years you make 60-80 K as a programmer.</div><div><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">I have a degree in mathematics from 1989, a Master of Science in Information Management (from 2009), and
more semesters than not I take a computer course at the community college. I recently finished two semesters of C#. I've take CS 205 in Java, but that was over 8 years ago. I just finished the first semester of Java. I am now taking SQL Server.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">I am working on a Certificate of Completion in Programming at Rio Salado Community College.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Unfortunately, the ads
tend to ask for a 4 years Computer Science degree and a year of experience (presumably as an intern or employed in your field while still a student.)</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="
color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Also, I make in the low 40's with good benefits as an administrative assistant, and it looks like entry level jobs don't come close.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Do I have a chance without leaving Phoenix?</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica,
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