<div dir="ltr"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This is where the idea of the Ubuntu touch variant is most interesting. The Same <span>Os</span> transitions from a touch friendly interface to a traditional desktop when needed. So the same device can fulfil multiple roles and needs. For me this is very exciting in that a daily computing device would be greatly appreciated. This will not replace my more powerful desktop, but I would not need to use it for the average task. But instead it becomes a more specialized role.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="140357f243f0f4cf__MailOriginal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b></a><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dazed_75<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Switched off Ubuntu<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>Ted may be right about where the growth market is. Especially if he primarily considers the 15-35 year groups. On the other hand, there are hundreds of millions of current users with history of using a desktop and people who want/need bigger displays who detest the who "Let's make everything work like a tablet" concept. I have a tablet and a smartphone and I appreciate how they work. But I and most of the people I know (in 4 computer clubs) want our big screens to remain highly usable and that will never be with a touch interface.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>Case in point: Global menu on a screen with multiple visible windows is just plain stupid. Global menu is fine as long as I can turn it off. I used to hate unity, but now I miss it when I don't have it. That said, I hate the number of configurable things we are losing to the "growth market".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I work with a lot of elderly people and most of them do not want to learn tablet and touch interfaces. I am having a lot of success with Linux for people who absolutely do not want Windows 8. Linux is much easier for them. Until I have to explain global menu. So I end up using other desktops for almost all of them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Stephen <</span><a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span>cryptworks@gmail.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Part of Ubuntu's Success is making Linux something anyone can use without having to invest in getting over such a steep learning curve. Well done there. Part of what Draws us to Linux is we can do what we want with it. We mold the experience to our desires. Ubuntu is becoming a pretty solid gateway for people that would never have considered Linux before to now realize it is powerful, useable, and professional.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>And yes there is some sacrifice for it. It is loaded in a hey you can use this right now and we think its awesome. this allows for a common interface to enhance documentation and support, which is where ubuntu makes a majority of its money (which i personally applaud).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is it the best distro ever, no. does it do what I want and how i want it. mostly. But even with the unified presence delivered by ubuntu I can still chose to do things my way.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have yet to find a perfect home distro, I really do not think i will. to be honest aside from where some config files are, and package management they are all so similar its nutty to consider how may distros there are that are simply variations of a root distro.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Kevin Fries <</span><a href="mailto:kevin@fries-biro.com" target="_blank"><span>kevin@fries-biro.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p><span>I'm with you Paul. I have been feeling less and less in control of my desktop o er the past few years. If I wanted to be told what was "good" for me why would I not be using Windows or Mac? Lately I have been using Arch and begun remembering why it was I liked Linux to start with. I think I found a new "distro-home" at least for a little while. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span><span style="color:#888888">Kevin<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Jul 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "Paul Mooring" <</span><a href="mailto:paul@opscode.com" target="_blank"><span>paul@opscode.com</span><span></span></a><span>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper"><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In my case Unity was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't particularly care for any of the changes Ubuntu made and have never liked debian packaging. I could maybe put up with upstart or unity or the frequent broken upgrade cycle on their own, but once unity launched and it was one more thing to hack around I had reached the point of wanting to just find greener pastures. <u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That being said, you're right just switching distros for the desktop environment wouldn't make a whole lot of since, but things like apt (and it's overly opinionated packages) and upstart are too integral to the OS to make using alternatives not a huge pain.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper"><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Paul Mooring <u></u><u></u></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Operations Engineer<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></span></span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b></span><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <</span></span><a href="mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> on behalf of Stephen <</span></span><a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">cryptworks@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Main PLUG discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: @@@ Pre-order your UBUNTU EDGE convergence phone today :) @@@</span></span><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"> <u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">I find it weird that people will drop a distribution because of unit. I dislike it, but it is so easy to flip to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, TWM, whatever that the overall hardware compatibility i get with an Ubuntu install combined with the ease of use apt management system and the huge supply of goodies in the repo far outweigh unity. besides, I'm pretty sure the default desktop experience will be configurable because Linux is cool like that.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Paul Mooring <</span></span><a href="mailto:paul@opscode.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">paul@opscode.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">I think that's how a lot of people feel, I disliked unity enough to<br>
finally switch distros and haven't looked back since. That being said, if<br>canonical can actually deliver on the dream of dropping my phone into a<br>dock and having a full Linux desktop and then just pulling it out and<br>
taking it with me when I'm done, I'll put up with Unity without any<br>complaints at all.<br>--<br>Paul Mooring<br>Operations Engineer<br><br></span></span><a href="http://www.opscode.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">www.opscode.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"><br>
<br><br><br><br><br><br>On 7/29/13 6:17 PM, "Michael Butash" <</span></span><a href="mailto:michael@butash.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">michael@butash.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">> wrote:<br>
<br>>I agree, I bought in on one - I really hope they come though. I'm super<br>>stoked for this...<br>><br>>I've tried with android phones running linux atop their kernel, but ui<br>>is always a bit clunky/unusable (unity just simply never worked). I'm<br>
>keen to see just how functional they or I can make the desktop<br>>experience, as normally first thing I do is disable unity with ubuntu.<br>><br>>Need a local hackfest if/when these come through.<br>><br>
>-mb<br>><br>><br>>On 07/26/2013 11:18 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:<br>>> Keep in mind what they are shooting for is convergence, a multi-core<br>>> processor with 4GB(+?) of RAM that acts as the "brain" of your desktop<br>
>> computer. At $725 people would call this a steal as an ultra-light<br>>> laptop, combine that with a carrier like T-mobile that allows you to not<br>>> pay for a phone if you don't get one and that's a whole lot of value for<br>
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