<div dir="ltr">Ironically enough, I got sick of Ubuntu for totally different reasons. I don't like apt, but it's mostly a cosmetic thing. I know yum better, I have to stop and think of what magic words it takes to make apt or aptitude do the right thing.<div>
<br></div><div>I just got annoyed with Ubuntu's lack of a proper root account, or the "let's make a gui for everything" approach. I must be the only tux lover around who still likes older unix idioms and ways of doing things.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I miss hacking around with source based distros, but nowadays I just don't have the time to maintain them. So Fedora strikes a good balance (for me) between functionality and fresh software.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Adam</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 July 2013 11:04, Stephen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com" target="_blank">cryptworks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">That makes a ton more sense :-)</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 30, 2013 10:29 AM, "Paul Mooring" <<a href="mailto:paul@opscode.com" target="_blank">paul@opscode.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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In my case Unity was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't particularly care for any of the changes Ubuntu made and have never liked debian packaging. I could maybe put up with upstart or unity or the frequent broken upgrade cycle on their
own, but once unity launched and it was one more thing to hack around I had reached the point of wanting to just find greener pastures.
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<div>That being said, you're right just switching distros for the desktop environment wouldn't make a whole lot of since, but things like apt (and it's overly opinionated packages) and upstart are too integral to the OS to make using alternatives not a huge
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<div dir="ltr">I find it weird that people will drop a distribution because of unit. I dislike it, but it is so easy to flip to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, TWM, whatever that the overall hardware compatibility i get with an Ubuntu install combined with the ease of use
apt management system and the huge supply of goodies in the repo far outweigh unity. besides, I'm pretty sure the default desktop experience will be configurable because Linux is cool like that.</div>
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<<a href="mailto:paul@opscode.com" target="_blank">paul@opscode.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I think that's how a lot of people feel, I disliked unity enough to<br>
finally switch distros and haven't looked back since. That being said, if<br>
canonical can actually deliver on the dream of dropping my phone into a<br>
dock and having a full Linux desktop and then just pulling it out and<br>
taking it with me when I'm done, I'll put up with Unity without any<br>
complaints at all.<br>
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On 7/29/13 6:17 PM, "Michael Butash" <<a href="mailto:michael@butash.net" target="_blank">michael@butash.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>I agree, I bought in on one - I really hope they come though. I'm super<br>
>stoked for this...<br>
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>I've tried with android phones running linux atop their kernel, but ui<br>
>is always a bit clunky/unusable (unity just simply never worked). I'm<br>
>keen to see just how functional they or I can make the desktop<br>
>experience, as normally first thing I do is disable unity with ubuntu.<br>
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>Need a local hackfest if/when these come through.<br>
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>On 07/26/2013 11:18 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:<br>
>> Keep in mind what they are shooting for is convergence, a multi-core<br>
>> processor with 4GB(+?) of RAM that acts as the "brain" of your desktop<br>
>> computer. At $725 people would call this a steal as an ultra-light<br>
>> laptop, combine that with a carrier like T-mobile that allows you to not<br>
>> pay for a phone if you don't get one and that's a whole lot of value for<br>
>> less than $1k.<br>
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