<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><br><br>Not being voted on reminds me of the Tucson Free Unix Group that in 1992 or so decided no structure was all the structure they could handle. <br><br>------------------------<br>
Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 6/12/13, Lisa Kachold <i><lisakachold@obnosis.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com><br>Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions<br>To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 1:55 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1329587714">All,<br><br>Since Society has changed, and people who used to have a great deal of time and resources are scrambling to take lower quality jobs, or second contracts to feed their families, politics is of great importance.<div>
<br></div><div>Politics has always been a big subject for Unix/Linux-ites. I suggested that we add a non-archived list expressly for the purpose of political discourse.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course that suggestion was NEVER VOTED On!<br>
<br><div class="yiv1329587714gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM, keith smith <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com">klsmith2020@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1329587714gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit;" valign="top"><br>Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else!<br><br>------------------------<br>
Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=bmike1@gmail.com">bmike1@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">
<br>From: Michael Havens <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bmike1@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=bmike1@gmail.com">bmike1@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nathan@nmecs.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=nathan@nmecs.com">nathan@nmecs.com</a>, "Main PLUG discussion list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM<br><br><div>honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities.<br clear="all"><div>:-)~MIKE~(-:</div>
<br><br><div>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=nathan@nmecs.com">nathan@nmecs.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote:<br>
Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that. I support you being<br>
outspoken about the issues in your private space. But the PLUG list is a<br>
communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms. For instance: no<br>
shoes, no shirt, no service. That establishes norms for certain areas that<br>
contain that banner. Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also<br>
about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse set of<br>
participants.<br>
<br>
Ted<br><br>
</div>What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been on<br>
this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many people<br>
whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since the<br>
beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things that<br>
we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means for<br>
creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us.<br>
<br>
Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else<br>
and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is tolerant of<br>
anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending someone<br>
else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every word<br>
spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*.<br>
<br>
Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third<br>
grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions<br>
and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them!<br>
<br>
God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know<br>
what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not<br>
agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can no<br>
longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would<br>
not share my own.<br>
<br>
When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to be<br>
filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was a brilliant<br>
idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing<br>
opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than<br>
large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their deeds.<br>
What a loser.<br>
<br>
If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become<br>
moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this<br>
list.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Nathan</font></span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><br></div>(503) 754-4452 Android<br>(623) 239-3392 Skype<br>(623) 688-3392 Google Voice<br>
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