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Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/7/13, josh <i><joshcoffman@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: josh <joshcoffman@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: OT: NSA story keeps getting bigger...<br>To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 11:03 AM<br><br><div id="yiv948261645"><div><p id="yiv948261645bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;"><br></p> Not having been a tinfoil hat guy, I have been changing the way I do some things and deleting various accounts that I don't use or don't trust. Mostly in a reaction to this plus some other things that I've been learning. I'm also wondering if there's a way to become a security/privacy/rights advocate & consultant and still pay bills. <div><div class="yiv948261645"
id="yiv948261645bloop_sign_1370627193508374016"><br><br><span style="font-family:helvetica, arial;font-size:13px;"></span><span></span></div><p style="color:#A0A0A8;">On June 7, 2013 at 10:26:30 AM, Nathan England (nathan@nmecs.com) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;"><span><div style="font-family:'Liberation Mono';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;">
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px;"><br><br>I am a conspiracy theorist. I have believed the Selinux was an NSA back door since it came out. Is there documented proof? No. Has it been examined by lots of people? I don't know. Can you prove it has been examined by lots other than a dozen developers working for a company that has already signed documents stating they will cooperate with the government?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px;">Would RedHat come out in the open and announce that selinux is a backdoor for the NSA? No, that would eliminate their OS. Everyone would dump them, Fedora also, in droves!</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px;">Honestly, I said it originally with tongue firmly in cheek, but I do have my suspicions. The NSA has some of the best computer security guys outside of Google, who is to say they could not write some excellent code that takes others a long time to figure out what it is really doing? lol</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px;"><br><br><br><br><br>On Friday, June 07, 2013 09:36:50 AM Ted Gould wrote:<br></p>
<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px;"><br>Okay, I may be feeding the trolls, but I have to ask:<br><br>Is there a link to this SELinux is a backdoor thread? I mean it is open source and the source code has been read by many people inside the US and out. Is it just "the NSA wrote it so it must" type of thing?<br><br>In my experience the only backdoor in SELinux is that it's so complex almost everyone screws it up ;-)<br><br>Ted<br><br></p>
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