<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">This is very interesting. I see quad core AMD chips in regular HP consumer grade towers these days. From what you are saying this would be good.<br><br>I don't mean to open up Pandora's box... However, how does one assess if Intel is better or AMD is better for any given application? <br><br>I like to get the best bang for the buck so this thread has been educational for me. <br><br>------------------------<br>
Keith Smith<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 1/15/13, Nadim Hoque <i><nadimhoque@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Nadim Hoque <nadimhoque@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?<br>To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org><br>Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 10:34 PM<br><br><div id="yiv78294727"><div dir="ltr">I do agree with Joseph. From what I have noticed AMD tends to do better with a lot of threads where as Intel executes fewer threads faster. This is the reason the opteron actually had a strong arm was because they did high I/O things better then Intel (from back in the day at least, and I recall Oracle did better with AMD and they did show that). I to have an AMD system granted it is high end, but I did not spend nearly as much as I would have with an Intel system. In my case having a better
GPU has a better impact. Not only that but AMD in the opteron family they have up to 16 cores in each chip which does help with tasks like virtualization. <br>
</div><div class="yiv78294727gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv78294727gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Sinclair <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:plug-discussion@stcaz.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=plug-discussion@stcaz.net">plug-discussion@stcaz.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv78294727gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I've had nothing but good results with AMD over the years.<br>
I have a Llano in one of my desktops right now (A8-3850), it's not hyper fast, but it's low power, cool (fan *never* comes on), quiet, and fast enough. The built-in graphics toast anything Intel has built-in (but a decent add-in ATI or NVidia card is even faster), and with 16G RAM it never seems to bog down on any reasonable workload.<br>
<br>
I've been looking at the latest Fusion chips, and the A10 and better look pretty darn good for a small desktop.<br>
For a server the Bulldozer series chips are very nice, not as fast as the best Xeon's, but a heck of a lot cheaper and less power usage.<br>
<br>
If you need top performance, and price isn't an issue, then Intel wins.<br>
If you need good performance, and price matters, then AMD wins.<br>
<br>
If you want a laptop that runs like a high-end server, then nobody wins :-P<br>
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==Joseph++<br>
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On 01/15/2013 01:36 PM, Nathan England wrote:<br>
><br>
> I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a<br>
> server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but<br>
> sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have<br>
> tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.<br>
> - From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace<br>
> in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't<br>
> worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently<br>
> bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take<br>
> it back because it was awful.<br>
><br>
> I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every<br>
> pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast<br>
> they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and<br>
> they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but<br>
> they don't even compare.<br>
><br>
> Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I<br>
> seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on<br>
> quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am<br>
> too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've<br>
> had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel<br>
> on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the<br>
> celeron).<br>
><br>
> Nathan<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:<br>
>> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power<br>
>> server.<br>
><br>
>> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an<br>
>> additional 50 rebate.<br>
><br>
>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052</a><br>
><br>
>> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would<br>
>> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith<br>
>> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com">klsmith2020@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:klsmith2020@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=klsmith2020@yahoo.com">klsmith2020@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops. I had 2 towers<br>
>> running 350 plus watt power supplies. My office was the hottest<br>
>> room in the house. Now today I could use that heat, however in<br>
>> July and August I'll pass.<br>
><br>
>> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or<br>
>> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and<br>
>> keyboard with them. That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP<br>
>> server in a dev environment. Or add an external monitor, keyboard,<br>
>> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use. Not as nice as<br>
>> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more<br>
>> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> ------------------------ Keith Smith<br>
><br>
>> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a>> /<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a>>>/* wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>> From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a>><br>
>> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:joe@actionline.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=joe@actionline.com">joe@actionline.com</a>>><br>
><br>
>> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook? To: "Main PLUG<br>
>> discussion list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org">plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org</a>>> Date: Monday, January 14,<br>
>> 2013, 3:58 PM<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> Keith last wrote:<br>
>>> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.<br>
><br>
>> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one<br>
>> of which I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I<br>
>> found on Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I<br>
>> think). They run absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is<br>
>> another still available (I think) on Craigslist for $150:<br>
><br>
>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html">http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html</a><br>
><br>
>> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for<br>
>> backup. I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.<br>
><br>
>> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to<br>
>> big "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.<br>
><br>
><br>
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