The end of programming (not the replacement of programmers)

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I think the scripters are vulnerable, however the compSci folks will be 
the ones creating apps that create apps.


On 2023-06-06 09:40, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I'm saying it doesn't write code.  It doesn't have to.
> 
> Business wants results with minimally acceptable quality.  You build
> the AI.  You train the AI.  You get minimally acceptable results.  You
> tinker with the AI if desired.
> 
> But the AI does not deliver code.  It delivers useful results within
> statistically acceptable tolerances.
> 
> It doesn't make coders obsolete, it makes CODE obsolete.  (Except for
> the AI experts' code to build, manage, and improve the AI
> )
> 
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 08:30 James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
>> Try copilot and see all the wonderful ways you've never thought of
>> to make terrible code even if it passes tests.  Programming the AI
>> to write ok code is harder than writing the code right now.
>> 
>> I'm all for the AI stuff.  It's great as a convenient method to
>> google, etc.  And codefill is... eh.  If you have a reasonable
>> amount of code in your base already, it can do pretty good at
>> boilerplate.  Probably helps out 1/4 of the time above standard IDE
>> library stuff. (totally scientific measurement of "eh, this").
>> 
>> Here's the thing.  In any system you have a certain amount of
>> complexity (entropy) that makes your thing different from the other
>> folk.  Reducing boilerplate and the total amount of work to specify
>> the complexity is fair game, but if you add too much complexity to
>> the language to reduce complexity of typing it, that's where things
>> lose out.  Perhaps AI can help with this, reduce the load on our
>> poor hooman brains to remember the various options.
>> 
>> Where it will definitely have an effect is repeated tasks (making
>> another web frontend router) and information retrieval.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts on it.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 8:07 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>> We are worried about AI learning to do programming and taking over
>> programming jobs.
>> 
>> Modern AI doesn't produce code, it makes writing a lot of code
>> unnecessary.
>> 
>> It may not be that programmers become obsolete but that coding as we
>> know it now becomes obsolete.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 3:25 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't get it...
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:03 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Pointy haired manager to programmer:  We are thinking of replacing
>> programming with AI.
>> 
>> Programmer:  Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI.
>> 
>> PHM: No, replace programming itself.
>> 
>> P:  How?  Why?
>> 
>> PHM:  Well, the Big, Poorly Understood AI produces really good
>> results without actually writing code.
>> 
>> P: Go on...
>> 
>> PHM:  Plus it's cheap and really, really prolific and efficient.
>> 
>> P: Sure, but its quality is awful!!
>> 
>> PHM: So is the quality of your software, all software, really.
>> 
>> P. Yeah, but the AI's quality is MUCH worse!
>> 
>> PHM:  Yes, but the AI is so affordable, efficient, and prolific,
>> that the wrongful death lawsuits will be just a cost of doing
>> business, and we'll still come out ahead according to the actuaries.
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