small menu test

From bob.elzer at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 07:07:14 2019 From: bob.elzer at gmail.com (Bob Elzer) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 07:07:14 -0700 Subject: OT: html code to open a document in kwrite? In-Reply-To: <7568b28d1d46495284657b211cc7f2bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> References: <229d270fc2485737b688770083fce7bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> <661acd1a-ce94-1311-42c6-55f0588b9e68@SnapTek.com> <7568b28d1d46495284657b211cc7f2bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> Message-ID: My 2 cents So it sounds you just don't want to type the command? Setting this up in a browser makes you open the browser and then open the page and then click on the link. I think the simplest solution would be to add an entry to the system menu or an icon to the panel or desktop. Depending on you distribution the steps will be different, but somewhat similar. If you right click on the desktop there should be an entry to create a launcher Give it a name, add the command you want and you can even customize the icon and save it. Now you can click on it and it will do what you want. You can also drag the icon to the panel or menu. On Fri, May 31, 2019, 3:51 PM Joe Lowder wrote: > Thanks for all comments and suggestions. > > ------------ > May 31, 2019 Brian Cluff wrote: > > Are you trying to make a list that can let you edit > > files on the local hard drive or are you trying to > > edit files on a server? > ------------ > > Just want to edit files on my local hard drive > something like this simple > > small menu test
> > Small menu test: The objective is simply to be able to
> tap to open each example file with the kwrite text editor
> from a menu list, edit the named file, save that file,
> and upon save and close, go right back to the menu.

> >

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note3 text file > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plug at 0x1b.com Sun Jun 2 10:08:00 2019 From: plug at 0x1b.com (Ed) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 10:08:00 -0700 Subject: OT: html code to open a document in kwrite? In-Reply-To: <7568b28d1d46495284657b211cc7f2bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> References: <229d270fc2485737b688770083fce7bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> <661acd1a-ce94-1311-42c6-55f0588b9e68@SnapTek.com> <7568b28d1d46495284657b211cc7f2bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> Message-ID: This is an over the top suggestion - not lightweight in any sense, but you do get to write the script in HTML/CSS/JS and you can access local files..... look at Electron from https://electronjs.org/ not simple, not small wouldn't a bash wrapper around kwrite be better? or a python program, or... On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:51 PM Joe Lowder wrote: > > Thanks for all comments and suggestions. > > ------------ > May 31, 2019 Brian Cluff wrote: > > Are you trying to make a list that can let you edit > > files on the local hard drive or are you trying to > > edit files on a server? > ------------ > > Just want to edit files on my local hard drive > something like this simple > > small menu test
> > Small menu test: The objective is simply to be able to
> tap to open each example file with the kwrite text editor
> from a menu list, edit the named file, save that file,
> and upon save and close, go right back to the menu.

> >

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open notes text file As I said the last time you posted this about a year ago: If you have an HTML file on your local disk opened with Konqueror, and that HTML file has a link like this, you can right-click on that link and get a KDE menu where one of the choices is "Open with". Kate and kwrite are choices available here. While this is not a single-click solution, it's a heck of a lot easier than almost anything else anyone has mentioned. On 2019-05-31 12:02, Michael Butash wrote: > Keep in mind, what you're asking to do (I think) is essentially > allowing html and hosted files to transcend the browser to open files > in the os and launch a file with a given application See above. When the HTML file and the files it's linking to are all on a local filesystem, as is the case here, the rules get relaxed. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. From azlobo73 at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 09:34:27 2019 From: azlobo73 at gmail.com (azlobo73) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:34:27 -0700 Subject: OT: html code to open a document in kwrite? In-Reply-To: References: <229d270fc2485737b688770083fce7bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> Message-ID: A related option that might work depending on the browser used is webdav, but actually it would need to call a local file manager to do the lifting: Here's an example setup via ownCloud and KDE / Dolphin (just as an example): https://doc.owncloud.com/server/user_manual/files/access_webdav.html#accessing-files-with-kde-and-dolphin-file-manager One would hope that the functionality would be wired into the protocol (webdav:// or webdavs://) so if a link is crafted with it, the appropriate file manager launches to handle it. --- Ben python -c "exec(\"import math\\nprint ''.join(map(lambda x: chr(x), ( (ord('a')-(3*5)), int(math.sqrt(math.pi*76)*5+2), int(math.ceil(math.e)*28), int(math.floor(math.e)*35), long(abs(4%3*35+3)*2))))\")" On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 11:29 AM Matt Graham wrote: > >>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Joe Lowder > >>> wrote: > >>>> $ kwrite filename > >>>> But I would like to be able to do it by simply > >>>> clicking on an entry in a simple html menu. > >>>> > >>>> These attempts do not work: > >>>>

open notes text file > > As I said the last time you posted this about a year ago: If you have > an HTML file on your local disk opened with Konqueror, and that HTML > file has a link like this, you can > right-click on that link and get a KDE menu where one of the choices is > "Open with". Kate and kwrite are choices available here. While this is > not a single-click solution, it's a heck of a lot easier than almost > anything else anyone has mentioned. > > On 2019-05-31 12:02, Michael Butash wrote: > > Keep in mind, what you're asking to do (I think) is essentially > > allowing html and hosted files to transcend the browser to open files > > in the os and launch a file with a given application > > See above. When the HTML file and the files it's linking to are all on > a local filesystem, as is the case here, the rules get relaxed. > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From azlobo73 at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 09:44:54 2019 From: azlobo73 at gmail.com (azlobo73) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:44:54 -0700 Subject: OT: html code to open a document in kwrite? In-Reply-To: References: <229d270fc2485737b688770083fce7bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> Message-ID: PS: And of course, the server needs to support webdav / webdavs access.. On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 9:34 AM azlobo73 wrote: > A related option that might work depending on the browser used is webdav, > but actually it would need to call a local file manager to do the lifting: > > Here's an example setup via ownCloud and KDE / Dolphin (just as an > example): > > > https://doc.owncloud.com/server/user_manual/files/access_webdav.html#accessing-files-with-kde-and-dolphin-file-manager > > One would hope that the functionality would be wired into the protocol > (webdav:// or webdavs://) so if a link is crafted with it, the appropriate > file manager launches to handle it. > > --- > Ben > > python -c "exec(\"import math\\nprint ''.join(map(lambda x: chr(x), ( > (ord('a')-(3*5)), int(math.sqrt(math.pi*76)*5+2), > int(math.ceil(math.e)*28), int(math.floor(math.e)*35), > long(abs(4%3*35+3)*2))))\")" > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 11:29 AM Matt Graham wrote: > >> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM Joe Lowder >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> $ kwrite filename >> >>>> But I would like to be able to do it by simply >> >>>> clicking on an entry in a simple html menu. >> >>>> >> >>>> These attempts do not work: >> >>>>

open notes text file >> >> As I said the last time you posted this about a year ago: If you have >> an HTML file on your local disk opened with Konqueror, and that HTML >> file has a link like this, you can >> right-click on that link and get a KDE menu where one of the choices is >> "Open with". Kate and kwrite are choices available here. While this is >> not a single-click solution, it's a heck of a lot easier than almost >> anything else anyone has mentioned. >> >> On 2019-05-31 12:02, Michael Butash wrote: >> > Keep in mind, what you're asking to do (I think) is essentially >> > allowing html and hosted files to transcend the browser to open files >> > in the os and launch a file with a given application >> >> See above. When the HTML file and the files it's linking to are all on >> a local filesystem, as is the case here, the rules get relaxed. >> >> -- >> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress >> There is no Darkness in Eternity >> But only Light too dim for us to see. >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe at actionline.com Thu Jun 6 10:27:51 2019 From: joe at actionline.com (Joe Lowder) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:27:51 -0700 Subject: OT: html code to open a document in kwrite? SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <229d270fc2485737b688770083fce7bd.squirrel@box945.bluehost.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded with various alternative ideas that might have provided a different solution from the one that I am trying to achieve. Brian Cluff provided a script that will allow me to achieve my original objective, which is to access 'kwrite' to files (multiple different files individually) from a menu of those ... plus multiple additional menu options ... all with a single tap on each different menu option. Thanks again Brian! -------------- On Wed, June 5, 2019 at 11:13 am, Bob Elzer wrote: > I think we are getting into overkill, He said he > just wanted to click on something to run the command. > Desktop icon would be the fastest and easiest to do. --------------- > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 9:34 AM wrote: >> A related option that might work depending on the browser >> used is webdav, but actually it would need to call a local >> file manager to do the lifting: >> >> Here's an example setup via ownCloud and KDE / Dolphin >> (just as an example): >> >> https://doc.owncloud.com/server/user_manual/files/access_webdav.html#a >> ccessing-files-with-kde-and-dolphin-file-manager >> >> One would hope that the functionality would be wired into the protocol >> (webdav:// or webdavs://) so if a link is crafted with it, the >> appropriate file manager launches to handle it. --Ben >> >> python -c "exec(\"import math\\nprint ''.join(map(lambda x: chr(x), ( >> (ord('a')-(3*5)), int(math.sqrt(math.pi*76)*5+2), >> int(math.ceil(math.e)*28), int(math.floor(math.e)*35), >> long(abs(4%3*35+3)*2))))\")" From trent.shipley at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 21:13:09 2019 From: trent.shipley at gmail.com (trent shipley) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:13:09 -0700 Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi Message-ID: A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building was Terrible! It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it again. 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? 2) If not, how feasible is it? 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit coffee house, etc. and RFC? Trent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From retro64xyz at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 04:05:47 2019 From: retro64xyz at gmail.com (Aaron Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:05:47 -0700 Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547F0823-BFD0-41AD-86CB-E9F80AF44896@gmail.com> Use a Raspberry Pi as a middle man and a reliable VPN. No cost for the library and 20x safer for you. Don’t plug stuff into your ports. > On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:13 PM, trent shipley wrote: > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From cryptworks at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 07:54:53 2019 From: cryptworks at gmail.com (Stephen Partington) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:54:53 -0700 Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is exactly what VPN is designed for. The reason public wifi is insecure is that it is shared among everyone. Now if you could build your router to prevent anyone from talking to each other and just the outside world that would have your desired effect. Or maybe a partnership with a VPN provider. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley wrote: > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building > was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at butash.net Mon Jun 10 10:02:06 2019 From: michael at butash.net (Michael Butash) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:02:06 -0700 Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't see much of an issue with using public wifi so long as you know whatever you're doing that is important/sensitive is encrypted. I don't use any public wifi any more than absolutely required, but otherwise almost every *responsible* website or service uses tls for https traffic today anyways, or as stated - you use a vpn to ensure no one locally at least is sniffing your wifi session. If your websites or services aren't using https, you shouldn't use them, as even a vpn has to egress to regularly internet somewhere that has a government (or other) black box sniffing it too. I agree, it would be nice if there were a better method of getting public users encrypted, but without some unique key exchange per user, or at very least a white-list method (remember the wps buttons that generated a weak numerical pin?) to make strong, or at least random, it'll remain weak at best, and probably eventually exploitable. A hardware solution is a non-starter though. Where does a phone or tablet have a usb slot to get on? Certainly whoever made it wouldn't support linux, or a foss solution as it doesn't incentivise anyone to produce said hardware. Hand out yubikeys, but client software and use is still problematic even with u2f per os for something like wifi use. If you did hardware, I'd imagine nfc-based for mobiles, make them come up and swipe a token to get the pass of the day to get on, and it changes every day. PC's you just rotate a common key to give to customers every day and print/display for users inside the establishment every day. Even just use a one-time token generator with a numeric key held by *someone(s)*. I've seen medical offices handling guest wifi by changing keys daily for at least any guest ssid and just printing the daily guest wifi inside reception, which keeps persistent users from access outside the establishment doing probably nothing good. This can be done with any enterprise-ish wifi solution that supports Private-PSK functions, or many-to-one passwords for the same ssid. Aerohive, Cisco, Juniper/Mist, Aruba, etc all tend to do this, leverage otp generation via Duo, Google Authenticator, or other "app". Even once encrypted, do you still trust the internet source though, that their router isn't infected from running a 10yr old firmware? You shouldn't, again vpn, or at least ensuring who you're accessing is using tls, and you trust their cert. Interestingly enough being in Santa Monica CA on business. their public library gets swarmed daily with homeless that really love their free public wifi there (seems even homeless all have cell phones these days), that I can only imagine the cesspool of devices there that could be hijacked/man-in-the-middle'd easily on non-encrypted wifi. Even just build a fake public access ap to mitm, then infect... Being that I'm there doing work *for* the city, it's something I have mentioned to folks as a problem. -mb On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley wrote: > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building > was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnflyfisher at live.com Mon Jun 10 17:26:30 2019 From: tnflyfisher at live.com (Stephen Elliott) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:26:30 +0000 Subject: Raspberry Pi middle-man? Message-ID: Aaron, please explain this in more detail for the non-pros here. Thanks. 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Re: Privacy on Public WiFi (Stephen Partington) 4. Re: Privacy on Public WiFi (Michael Butash) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:13:09 -0700 From: trent shipley To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building was Terrible! It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it again. 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? 2) If not, how feasible is it? 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit coffee house, etc. and RFC? Trent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:05:47 -0700 From: Aaron Jones To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi Message-ID: <547F0823-BFD0-41AD-86CB-E9F80AF44896 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Use a Raspberry Pi as a middle man and a reliable VPN. No cost for the library and 20x safer for you. Don’t plug stuff into your ports. > On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:13 PM, trent shipley wrote: > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060219780&sdata=aYnH1yYB9vEAE2NpvKbbPZ%2FWGSBFzSFdW7jCKWF0fIc%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:54:53 -0700 From: Stephen Partington To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is exactly what VPN is designed for. The reason public wifi is insecure is that it is shared among everyone. Now if you could build your router to prevent anyone from talking to each other and just the outside world that would have your desired effect. Or maybe a partnership with a VPN provider. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley wrote: > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building > was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060229785&sdata=l35B90p9HK1tBnXrNgsQJkRqI2tlu4B75o1QkSCqzFY%3D&reserved=0 -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:02:06 -0700 From: Michael Butash To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I don't see much of an issue with using public wifi so long as you know whatever you're doing that is important/sensitive is encrypted. I don't use any public wifi any more than absolutely required, but otherwise almost every *responsible* website or service uses tls for https traffic today anyways, or as stated - you use a vpn to ensure no one locally at least is sniffing your wifi session. If your websites or services aren't using https, you shouldn't use them, as even a vpn has to egress to regularly internet somewhere that has a government (or other) black box sniffing it too. I agree, it would be nice if there were a better method of getting public users encrypted, but without some unique key exchange per user, or at very least a white-list method (remember the wps buttons that generated a weak numerical pin?) to make strong, or at least random, it'll remain weak at best, and probably eventually exploitable. A hardware solution is a non-starter though. Where does a phone or tablet have a usb slot to get on? Certainly whoever made it wouldn't support linux, or a foss solution as it doesn't incentivise anyone to produce said hardware. Hand out yubikeys, but client software and use is still problematic even with u2f per os for something like wifi use. If you did hardware, I'd imagine nfc-based for mobiles, make them come up and swipe a token to get the pass of the day to get on, and it changes every day. PC's you just rotate a common key to give to customers every day and print/display for users inside the establishment every day. Even just use a one-time token generator with a numeric key held by *someone(s)*. I've seen medical offices handling guest wifi by changing keys daily for at least any guest ssid and just printing the daily guest wifi inside reception, which keeps persistent users from access outside the establishment doing probably nothing good. This can be done with any enterprise-ish wifi solution that supports Private-PSK functions, or many-to-one passwords for the same ssid. Aerohive, Cisco, Juniper/Mist, Aruba, etc all tend to do this, leverage otp generation via Duo, Google Authenticator, or other "app". Even once encrypted, do you still trust the internet source though, that their router isn't infected from running a 10yr old firmware? You shouldn't, again vpn, or at least ensuring who you're accessing is using tls, and you trust their cert. Interestingly enough being in Santa Monica CA on business. their public library gets swarmed daily with homeless that really love their free public wifi there (seems even homeless all have cell phones these days), that I can only imagine the cesspool of devices there that could be hijacked/man-in-the-middle'd easily on non-encrypted wifi. Even just build a fake public access ap to mitm, then infect... Being that I'm there doing work *for* the city, it's something I have mentioned to folks as a problem. -mb On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley wrote: > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building > was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or $2 > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in this > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, non-profit > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060229785&sdata=l35B90p9HK1tBnXrNgsQJkRqI2tlu4B75o1QkSCqzFY%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It passes it to you internet provider till it get to where you wanted it to go. Imagine a second wifi access point/router with the same id and wifi password that is controlled by me. Your phone/laptop cannot tell the difference which one it is connecting to. now I just need to copy all your wifi traffic going though my access point/router I will know where you go what you did and any passwords you used and ever redirect you from where you wanted to go to where I want you to go and trick you into installing my software on your computer. VPN is a program that encrypts your traffic from A to B so that I cannot read it and is difficult or almost impossible to decrypt with out the keys. VPN's need a server and client to encrypt and decrypt on each side. many home routers have a built in vpn server and client programs are available for most any OS and most phones. I use a VPN both on my computers and phone for most of my work. I vpn to work (vpn Server) from home using my desktop as a client and when not at home I use a vpn to home vpn server on my laptop and phone clients. I find that most home router vpn server are a bit hard to figure out and may not be current technology so I recommend to new users and students to use a old pc 64 bit 512meg ram 10gig HDD will be more that enough and two network cards with IPFIRE or pfsence is a easy to use home server that includes openvpn servers and a great way to learn basic routing. we have built quite a few at the install-fest and would be happy to help anyone interested. the next one is Saturday at UAT 40th and baseline 10-4pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He has used system from the earliest 8-bit microprocessors, through the PDP-11 and VAX, up to IBM mainframes, and has managed to write programs that did not crash on most of them. Mr. Lindley has been a GNU/Linux user since 1992 and has been free of proprietary software since 2001. Most recently he has been pleased to be an adjunct professor at Mesa Community College. *Rajendran Rathinasabapathy: In the crossroads of Agility, Microservices and Cloud computing* *Description*: Being a project manager for a while evolving along with the evolution in the IT landscape of agility, microservices and cloud computer, I see a pattern in the painful ordeal teams go through, especially when collaboration is needed more than ever to build systems. The topic is very relevant when highly individualistic opensource programmers work together. In this presentation, as the subject is vast, I layout a list of critical blind spots and pitfalls the teams can avoid while designing and developing larger applications. *Biography*: Working in IT for the past 20 years from being a developer to a portfolio manager. Currently involved in strategizing CI/CD for a sub-domain in info security. with varied tech stacks. I am a proponent of microservices and also a scrum master. In my free time, I learn to make digital an analogue circuits. I teach programming and robotics to kids and I am learning Jiu-Jitsu :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The meeting will start at 7pm at The Desert Breeze Substation. People start arriving as early as 6pm, so if you would like to help setup and/or chat for a while, arrive a little early. *Meeting Location*: Desert Breeze Substation 251 North Desert Breeze Blvd West Chandler, AZ 85226 The Desert Breeze Substation is on Chandler Blvd and Desert Breeze Blvd, which is half way between McClintock and Rural. It is very close to both the south 202 and 101 freeways. Public transportation is available into the late hours. For more information see the meeting information on our web site Contact PLUG: Email: https://phxlinux.org/index.php/email-lists.html IRC: https://phxlinux.org/index.php/chat.html Google+: https://plus.google.com/+PhxlinuxOrg Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Phoenix-Linux-Users-Group/ We will go for food (usually to BJs at the Chandler Fashion Center Mall) after the meeting so we can chat with each other comfortably. Please feel free to join us. Please come even if you aren't hungry, the food is not mandatory. 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For more information see: https://phxlinux.org/index.php/meetings/20-plug-security.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Aaron Jones: Introduction To Assembly - Part II** * *Description*: Introduction To Assembly Language is the second half to my reverse engineering course. This is part two of a multi part educational series on lower level software development and reverse engineering. Many developers and security experts are not familiar with assembly language or the lower levels of their hardware. This course is intended to begin familiarizing you with assembly language in order to build the foundation for future courses on reverse engineering. *Biography*: Aaron, the owner of Retro64XYZ, is a software developer who currently creates applications for law enforcement. He is also an AZ POST certified public speaker. He earned a B.Sc., in Computer Information Systems from Park University in 2013 and an M.A., in Intelligence Analysis with a focus in Cyber Security in 2014. During that period of his life he took a double course load and completed his Masters with a 3.695 GPA in a year. He has been the recipient of recognition from the El Paso Police Department, State Of Texas, Texas Military Forces, Chandler Police Department, and others. Aaron is also active in the community as the founder of the Phoenix Linux Users Group Cyber Security Meetup and regularly teaches members of the public a myriad of topics related to Cyber Security. His audience includes students, teachers, law enforcement, military, government officials, and concerned members of the public with a strong desire to learn what is going on in the world of technology. When Aaron isn’t teaching, working, or spending time with his family, he enjoys relaxing at the pond with a fishing pole while not catching fish, operating a pistol at the shooting range, or reading books. He owns a Sega Saturn and a Sega Dreamcast and his favorite video games are Panzer Dragoon, Road Rash, Phantasy Star Online 2, and Power Stone. He is currently engrossed in building content for his site and looking for more ways to reach the public. You should reach Aaron through his Mastodon or on Keybase. He would love to hear from you, answer your questions, or find out about the projects you are involved with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Meeting Location*: Desert Breeze Substation 251 North Desert Breeze Blvd West Chandler, AZ 85226 The Desert Breeze Substation is on Chandler Blvd and Desert Breeze Blvd, which is half way between McClintock and Rural. It is very close to both the south 202 and 101 freeways. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://thepi.io/how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-as-a-vpn-router/ You can use the PI as a wireless access point and combine that with a VPN to make it so it works in between you and your provider. I do it all the time. See the above link for a how-to. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Aaron On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:54 PM Stephen Elliott wrote: > Aaron, please explain this in more detail for the non-pros here. Thanks. > > Stephen > > On 6/10/19, 12:00 PM, "PLUG-discuss on behalf of > plug-discuss-request at lists.phxlinux.org" < > plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org on behalf of > plug-discuss-request at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060219780&sdata=aYnH1yYB9vEAE2NpvKbbPZ%2FWGSBFzSFdW7jCKWF0fIc%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-discuss-request at lists.phxlinux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-discuss-owner at lists.phxlinux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Privacy on Public WiFi (trent shipley) > 2. Re: Privacy on Public WiFi (Aaron Jones) > 3. Re: Privacy on Public WiFi (Stephen Partington) > 4. Re: Privacy on Public WiFi (Michael Butash) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:13:09 -0700 > From: trent shipley > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Privacy on Public WiFi > Message-ID: > < > CAEFLybLM7VYYy8LrD0gVBc1_e14hCqX0VZnKJyAb_ixHUotz+w at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the > building > was Terrible! > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be > surmountable. > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 or > $2 > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the > cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public > WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good > for. > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in > this > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, > non-profit > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > Trent > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190609%2F43223bb7%2Fattachment-0001.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060219780&sdata=HN%2F%2F%2B1bvhtIb4n3NovAae6N2x2FwyYDmMc7NAsy0GVM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:05:47 -0700 > From: Aaron Jones > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi > Message-ID: <547F0823-BFD0-41AD-86CB-E9F80AF44896 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Use a Raspberry Pi as a middle man and a reliable VPN. No cost for the > library and 20x safer for you. > > Don’t plug stuff into your ports. > > > On Jun 9, 2019, at 9:13 PM, trent shipley > wrote: > > > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to use. I > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the building > was Terrible! > > > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be > surmountable. > > > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 > or $2 USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the cheap > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public WiFi. > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good for. > > > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends it > again. > > > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in > this as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, > non-profit coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > > > Trent > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060219780&sdata=aYnH1yYB9vEAE2NpvKbbPZ%2FWGSBFzSFdW7jCKWF0fIc%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:54:53 -0700 > From: Stephen Partington > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi > Message-ID: > < > CACS_G9wC4XnfBWMxO5WrudPvu8snzOx7wgpz0XPwvGjVuvWGUg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is exactly what VPN is designed for. > > The reason public wifi is insecure is that it is shared among > everyone. Now > if you could build your router to prevent anyone from talking to each > other > and just the outside world that would have your desired effect. Or > maybe a > partnership with a VPN provider. > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley > wrote: > > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to > use. I > > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the > building > > was Terrible! > > > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be > surmountable. > > > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 > or $2 > > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the > cheap > > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public > WiFi. > > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good > for. > > > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. The > > library wipes the usb clean, puts another key on the usb, and vends > it > > again. > > > > 1) Does this exist at "trivial" cost to the WiFi user? > > 2) If not, how feasible is it? > > 3) If it does not exist, and is feasible, who would be interested in > this > > as a project with a goal of a demo install at a local library, > non-profit > > coffee house, etc. and RFC? > > > > Trent > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060229785&sdata=l35B90p9HK1tBnXrNgsQJkRqI2tlu4B75o1QkSCqzFY%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190610%2F680cacac%2Fattachment-0001.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C18286fbd325b4789400d08d6edd5d8f6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636957900060229785&sdata=ksjjZFJScFOAEU%2FBHezjykpGPat6X6eUWBcZxV2j5EE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:02:06 -0700 > From: Michael Butash > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Privacy on Public WiFi > Message-ID: > p6Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't see much of an issue with using public wifi so long as you know > whatever you're doing that is important/sensitive is encrypted. I > don't > use any public wifi any more than absolutely required, but otherwise > almost > every *responsible* website or service uses tls for https traffic today > anyways, or as stated - you use a vpn to ensure no one locally at > least is > sniffing your wifi session. If your websites or services aren't using > https, you shouldn't use them, as even a vpn has to egress to regularly > internet somewhere that has a government (or other) black box sniffing > it > too. > > I agree, it would be nice if there were a better method of getting > public > users encrypted, but without some unique key exchange per user, or at > very > least a white-list method (remember the wps buttons that generated a > weak > numerical pin?) to make strong, or at least random, it'll remain weak > at > best, and probably eventually exploitable. > > A hardware solution is a non-starter though. Where does a phone or > tablet > have a usb slot to get on? Certainly whoever made it wouldn't support > linux, or a foss solution as it doesn't incentivise anyone to produce > said > hardware. Hand out yubikeys, but client software and use is still > problematic even with u2f per os for something like wifi use. > > If you did hardware, I'd imagine nfc-based for mobiles, make them come > up > and swipe a token to get the pass of the day to get on, and it changes > every day. PC's you just rotate a common key to give to customers > every > day and print/display for users inside the establishment every day. > Even > just use a one-time token generator with a numeric key held by > *someone(s)*. I've seen medical offices handling guest wifi by > changing > keys daily for at least any guest ssid and just printing the daily > guest > wifi inside reception, which keeps persistent users from access > outside the > establishment doing probably nothing good. > > This can be done with any enterprise-ish wifi solution that supports > Private-PSK functions, or many-to-one passwords for the same ssid. > Aerohive, Cisco, Juniper/Mist, Aruba, etc all tend to do this, > leverage otp > generation via Duo, Google Authenticator, or other "app". > > Even once encrypted, do you still trust the internet source though, > that > their router isn't infected from running a 10yr old firmware? You > shouldn't, again vpn, or at least ensuring who you're accessing is > using > tls, and you trust their cert. > > Interestingly enough being in Santa Monica CA on business. their public > library gets swarmed daily with homeless that really love their free > public > wifi there (seems even homeless all have cell phones these days), that > I > can only imagine the cesspool of devices there that could be > hijacked/man-in-the-middle'd easily on non-encrypted wifi. Even just > build > a fake public access ap to mitm, then infect... Being that I'm there > doing > work *for* the city, it's something I have mentioned to folks as a > problem. > > -mb > > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:13 PM trent shipley > wrote: > > > A while ago I was at the downtown Scottsdale public library with my > > computer. They had open, public WiFi--which I was NOT going to > use. I > > tried to use my mobile phone data, but the reception inside the > building > > was Terrible! > > > > It seems like the problem of insecure public WiFi should be > surmountable. > > > > How hard would it be do develop technology that puts a key on a $1 > or $2 > > USB, that you buy (put a deposit on) at the reception desk (or from a > > machine). You also get an FOSS app. The app takes the key on the > cheap > > USB and securely logs you into the library's (or Starbucks) public > WiFi. > > The library determines how long the key(s) on the USB is (are) good > for. > > > > When you're done. You turn the little USB in for your deposit. 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URL: From slitt at troubleshooters.com Thu Jun 13 18:55:22 2019 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: New Nginx documentation for beginners Message-ID: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm> Hi all, I just put up several nginx documents helpful to those who don't yet have a complete knowledge of nginx. You can access them all from the following URL: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nginx/ Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive From PLUGd at LuftHans.com Thu Jun 13 20:43:45 2019 From: PLUGd at LuftHans.com (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: ClusterSSH in screen? Message-ID: moin moin, ClusterSSH allows you to open shells on multiple systems that are tied to a control window. From the control window you can enter commands on each of the systems at the same time. I need to do something like that in screen ( tmux can be an option ). I can split a screen into multiple windows and connect to multiple boxes, but still have to copy and paste or type seperately into each shell. Eventually, I will automate all this, but for now I need to simplify the copy pasta workflow. Features: * type one place, enact in many shells * see individual output in each of the shells * be able to see all the shells at the same time[0] * be able to also type directly into a single shell * works in an xterm * ssh from central server to clusters of servers * detach and attach * works on debian and CentOS * doesn't require actually popping up a bunch of xterms Any suggestions on how to make this work? [0] need to be able to screenshare with others using a different process[1] [1] being able to also share directly via screen/tmux would be cool ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown From retro64xyz at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 20:46:05 2019 From: retro64xyz at gmail.com (Aaron Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:46:05 -0700 Subject: ClusterSSH in screen? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8AF325-9282-457D-A9BE-32C2FE9C750D@gmail.com> https://github.com/peikk0/tmux-cssh Like this? > On Jun 13, 2019, at 8:43 PM, der.hans wrote: > > moin moin, > > ClusterSSH allows you to open shells on multiple systems that are tied to > a control window. From the control window you can enter commands on each > of the systems at the same time. > > I need to do something like that in screen ( tmux can be an option ). > > I can split a screen into multiple windows and connect to multiple > boxes, but still have to copy and paste or type seperately into each > shell. > > Eventually, I will automate all this, but for now I need to simplify the > copy pasta workflow. > > Features: > > * type one place, enact in many shells > * see individual output in each of the shells > * be able to see all the shells at the same time[0] > * be able to also type directly into a single shell > * works in an xterm > * ssh from central server to clusters of servers > * detach and attach > * works on debian and CentOS > * doesn't require actually popping up a bunch of xterms > > Any suggestions on how to make this work? > > [0] need to be able to screenshare with others using a different > process[1] > > [1] being able to also share directly via screen/tmux would be cool > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on > # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on > # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PLUGd at LuftHans.com Thu Jun 13 21:02:21 2019 From: PLUGd at LuftHans.com (der.hans) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 04:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: ClusterSSH in screen? In-Reply-To: <4A8AF325-9282-457D-A9BE-32C2FE9C750D@gmail.com> References: <4A8AF325-9282-457D-A9BE-32C2FE9C750D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Am 13. Jun, 2019 schwätzte Aaron Jones so: moin moin Aaron, > https://github.com/peikk0/tmux-cssh > > Like this? Looks good. And short enough to audit once I understand tmux :). danke, der.hans >> On Jun 13, 2019, at 8:43 PM, der.hans wrote: >> >> moin moin, >> >> ClusterSSH allows you to open shells on multiple systems that are tied to >> a control window. From the control window you can enter commands on each >> of the systems at the same time. >> >> I need to do something like that in screen ( tmux can be an option ). >> >> I can split a screen into multiple windows and connect to multiple >> boxes, but still have to copy and paste or type seperately into each >> shell. >> >> Eventually, I will automate all this, but for now I need to simplify the >> copy pasta workflow. >> >> Features: >> >> * type one place, enact in many shells >> * see individual output in each of the shells >> * be able to see all the shells at the same time[0] >> * be able to also type directly into a single shell >> * works in an xterm >> * ssh from central server to clusters of servers >> * detach and attach >> * works on debian and CentOS >> * doesn't require actually popping up a bunch of xterms >> >> Any suggestions on how to make this work? >> >> [0] need to be able to screenshare with others using a different >> process[1] >> >> [1] being able to also share directly via screen/tmux would be cool >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans >> -- >> # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org >> # Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on >> # your monitor, or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on >> # a web site, and you must change them very often. -- Unknown >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then # you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and # I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have # two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw From bmike1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 05:22:27 2019 From: bmike1 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:22:27 -0400 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I went to sound preferences -> Hardware and the HDMI device's profile is set to off and there is no on setting. On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:57 PM Michael wrote: > I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when > i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what > transpired: > > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio > > Would someone help me fix this? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cryptworks at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 09:46:49 2019 From: cryptworks at gmail.com (Stephen Partington) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:46:49 -0700 Subject: New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: Thanks. I have just started down the road of learning and using nginx On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 7:43 PM Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I just put up several nginx documents helpful to those who don't yet > have a complete knowledge of nginx. You can access them all from the > following URL: > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nginx/ > > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 11:26 AM wrote: > Hello all: > I run my own DNS and email servers. > I have the SPF records properly set but I am having a crippling amount of > email spoofing by spammers, how can I prevent that? :( > Thanks > ET > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amit at amitnepal.com Fri Jun 14 12:12:57 2019 From: amit at amitnepal.com (Amit Nepal) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 12:12:57 -0700 Subject: How to stop email spoofing? In-Reply-To: References: <4A8AF325-9282-457D-A9BE-32C2FE9C750D@gmail.com>

Message-ID: You can implement RBLs to fight spam too. Also like Stephen mentioned, if you don't already have SPF, DKIM and DMARC setup, this video may help you set them up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pld4ZQf9s4 Amit K Nepal (OSCP, CISM, CISSP, RHCE, CCENT, C|EH, C|HFI, GIAC ISO 27000 Specialist) On 6/14/2019 12:04 PM, Stephen Partington wrote: > Do you have DKIM and DMARC records as well? > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 11:26 AM > wrote: > > Hello all: > I run my own DNS and email servers. > I have the SPF records properly set but I am having a crippling > amount of > email spoofing by spammers, how can I prevent that? :( > Thanks > ET > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at butash.net Fri Jun 14 14:31:08 2019 From: michael at butash.net (Michael Butash) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 Subject: New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. One associate's business uses and pays for the Pro version of nginx prior to acquisition, and has already begun investigating alternatives having moved from F5 already once, holding no love for them in any way to want to deal with them again. I just joke with folks it could have been worse, oracle, hp, or ibm could have bought them, but F5 isn't far behind in relic status imho. Any one else here concerned to be using nginx now? -mb On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:47 AM Stephen Partington wrote: > Thanks. I have just started down the road of learning and using nginx > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 7:43 PM Steve Litt > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just put up several nginx documents helpful to those who don't yet >> have a complete knowledge of nginx. You can access them all from the >> following URL: >> >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nginx/ >> >> Thanks, >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cryptworks at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 14:59:15 2019 From: cryptworks at gmail.com (Stephen Partington) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:59:15 -0700 Subject: New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Message-ID: https://www.nginx.com/blog/whats-difference-nginx-foss-nginx-plus/ they already have a long established Paid vs OS model going. and as such the community can fork the project and move in a direction that is not in line with any future shineneganry. On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 2:31 PM Michael Butash wrote: > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 purchasing > them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of expensive > adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared that F5 is going to > ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all features as steeply as they > do their mainstream appliance products. One associate's business uses and > pays for the Pro version of nginx prior to acquisition, and has already > begun investigating alternatives having moved from F5 already once, holding > no love for them in any way to want to deal with them again. > > I just joke with folks it could have been worse, oracle, hp, or ibm could > have bought them, but F5 isn't far behind in relic status imho. > > Any one else here concerned to be using nginx now? > > -mb > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:47 AM Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> Thanks. I have just started down the road of learning and using nginx >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 7:43 PM Steve Litt >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just put up several nginx documents helpful to those who don't yet >>> have a complete knowledge of nginx. You can access them all from the >>> following URL: >>> >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nginx/ >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at SnapTek.com Fri Jun 14 17:54:29 2019 From: brian at SnapTek.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:54:29 -0700 Subject: How to stop email spoofing? In-Reply-To: References: <4A8AF325-9282-457D-A9BE-32C2FE9C750D@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are talking about kitepilot.com, according to several SPF checkers, your SPF record is malformed and can't be read. so it's like you don't have one. It appears you currently have it set to (There are too many quotes): kitepilot.com. 172436 IN TXT "v=spf1" "ip4:198.200.250.0/24" "-all" you should try setting it to: kitepilot.com. 172436 IN TXT "v=spf1 ip4:198.200.250.0/24 -all" If you're sending everything through your MX, you might want to consider: kitepilot.com. 172436 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all" Brian Cluff On 6/14/19 11:25 AM, kitepilot at kitepilot.com wrote: > Hello all: > I run my own DNS and email servers. > I have the SPF records properly set but I am having a crippling amount > of email spoofing by spammers, how can I prevent that? :( > Thanks > ET > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Jun 14 23:29:33 2019 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 02:29:33 -0400 Subject: New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Message-ID: <20190615022933.278ef88b@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 Michael Butash wrote: > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 > purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of > expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared > that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all > features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. > One associate's business uses and pays for the Pro version of nginx > prior to acquisition, and has already begun investigating > alternatives having moved from F5 already once, holding no love for > them in any way to want to deal with them again. I'm adopting a wait and see attitude, which is very different than if they'd been bought by Microsoft, Redhat or Oracle. One thing that does concern me, and please remind me of this from time to time, is that I need to grab their source code so if the project needs forking, I have the source (I'm not a good enough developer to actually fork it). SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Jun 14 23:34:42 2019 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 02:34:42 -0400 Subject: pfSense and Netgate: was New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Message-ID: <20190615023442.7a5f15a6@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 Michael Butash wrote: > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 > purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of > expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared > that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all > features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. While we're on the subject, I've used pfSense for over a decade and recently upgraded at least two versions. The new version has all sorts of admonitions that you can't sell pfSense because it belongs to Netgate, and if you bought it from Netgate you have to do this and that, and you can't use their trademark, and go to this page to buy it, blah blah blah blah blah. I've been totally satisfied with pfSense for over a decade, but am now considering moving to a straight OpenBSD/pf setup, or pfSense's competitor OPNsense, or even switch to a Linux firewall with IPTables, which I've always thought to be a multi-acre field of sharply thorned brambles. Anyone else getting jittery about pfSense? SteveT Steve Litt June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive From chadonald at yahoo.com Sat Jun 15 06:43:51 2019 From: chadonald at yahoo.com (Donald Cha.) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 13:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Interesting References: <2110428454.1380914.1560606231087.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2110428454.1380914.1560606231087@mail.yahoo.com> How To Test Drive 200+ Linux Distributions Without Ever Downloading Or Installing Them I’ve written about two fantastic tools that help people discover the ideal Linux distribution tailored to their needs and expectations, but a new tool just materialized on my radar and frankly, it’s blowing my mind. I just took Debian 9.9.0 Cinnamon, MX Linux 18.3 and Peppermint OS for a quick test drive. But I did so without downloading any ISOs, without flashing any images to a USB, and without even firing up VirtualBox. That’s thanks to DistroTest.net, a website that streams the experience right to your browser. DistroTest is the brainchild of Forster Tobias and Klemann Andy. 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URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Sat Jun 15 07:12:56 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:12:56 -0700 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. > On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: > > I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when > i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: > > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio > > Would someone help me fix this? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: what are they called. What do they look like? On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: > Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your > /var somewhere. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues > dept. > > > On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: > > I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when > i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what > transpired: > > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio > E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. > E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. > bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse > 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio > > Would someone help me fix this? > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmike1 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 16:52:03 2019 From: bmike1 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 19:52:03 -0400 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: well, I found one file called asound.state.lock and I deleted it but upon reboot it came back and that did not help the sound.. On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:31 PM Michael wrote: > what are they called. What do they look like? > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your >> /var somewhere. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >> issues dept. >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >> >> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what >> transpired: >> >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >> >> Would someone help me fix this? >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhgraham at crow202.org Sun Jun 16 12:07:58 2019 From: mhgraham at crow202.org (Matt Graham) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:07:58 -0700 Subject: Lenovo E595: works with some fiddling Message-ID: <87f758a1132be158862b23b8618bd80a@crow202.org> I got a new Lenovo E595 laptop. Getting it working with Gentoo is a little more involved than I expected it to be. It's a relatively new machine, and the older kernel on the latest Gentoo live installation medium is not capable of running its graphics card properly. This isn't really covered very well in a lot of the things I found, and I had to piece together the proper steps from a number of disconnected web pages. No search engine seems to be capable of giving installation instructions if you search "Linux Lenovo E595"--thanks marketers and spammers. The most problematic part of the E595 is the Vega Picasso graphics card. This is a relatively new thing and requires firmware to run in anything but text mode. So, emerge linux-firmware or install whatever your distro uses as its firmware package. I had to compile the amdgpu module directly into the kernel, and build the "picasso" firmware files directly into the kernel as well. http://crow202.org/2019/5.1.10.config.gz for the config that I used for vanilla 5.1.10. Though /proc/cpuinfo reports 8 CPUs, don't pass -j8 to make. Compiling clang at some point causes multiple instances of the compiler to allocate over 1G, and this can hit OOM. Make a swap file and use -j7, and it'll work properly. Sound is slightly strange. The default output is not sane, and attempting to play/mpg123 anything resulted in segfaults. I had to put this into /etc/asound.conf , and then audio worked perfectly: defaults.pcm.!card Generic_1 defaults.pcm.!device 0 Booting: Turn Secure Boot off, then install and use rEFInd. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Refind I have not actually tried booting the 'Doze10 installation from this. I hope I won't have to use 'Doze10 for anything beyond shrinking its filesystem so that there was space for Linux. Also note that the wireless card for this uses the r8822be module, and that module is in "staging", so it may not be obvious where to look for the darn thing. Despite being in staging, the module has worked fine for me so far. Wired Ethernet, USB, keyboard, and mouse are all fine as-is. Now I just have to wait for KDE to finish building, and things should be just fine. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. From cryptworks at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 12:16:25 2019 From: cryptworks at gmail.com (Stephen Partington) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:16:25 -0700 Subject: Lenovo E595: works with some fiddling In-Reply-To: <87f758a1132be158862b23b8618bd80a@crow202.org> References: <87f758a1132be158862b23b8618bd80a@crow202.org> Message-ID: https://amp.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/bzsy42/just_a_sneak_peek_of_my_linux_testing_on_e595/ This thread has some good links. And the review on level techs might be of use. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 12:00 PM Matt Graham wrote: > I got a new Lenovo E595 laptop. Getting it working with Gentoo is a > little more involved than I expected it to be. It's a relatively new > machine, and the older kernel on the latest Gentoo live installation > medium is not capable of running its graphics card properly. This isn't > really covered very well in a lot of the things I found, and I had to > piece together the proper steps from a number of disconnected web pages. > No search engine seems to be capable of giving installation instructions > if you search "Linux Lenovo E595"--thanks marketers and spammers. > > The most problematic part of the E595 is the Vega Picasso graphics > card. This is a relatively new thing and requires firmware to run in > anything but text mode. So, emerge linux-firmware or install whatever > your distro uses as its firmware package. I had to compile the amdgpu > module directly into the kernel, and build the "picasso" firmware files > directly into the kernel as well. > http://crow202.org/2019/5.1.10.config.gz for the config that I used for > vanilla 5.1.10. > > Though /proc/cpuinfo reports 8 CPUs, don't pass -j8 to make. Compiling > clang at some point causes multiple instances of the compiler to > allocate over 1G, and this can hit OOM. Make a swap file and use -j7, > and it'll work properly. > > Sound is slightly strange. The default output is not sane, and > attempting to play/mpg123 anything resulted in segfaults. I had to put > this into /etc/asound.conf , and then audio worked perfectly: > > defaults.pcm.!card Generic_1 > defaults.pcm.!device 0 > > Booting: Turn Secure Boot off, then install and use rEFInd. > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Refind I have not actually tried booting > the 'Doze10 installation from this. I hope I won't have to use 'Doze10 > for anything beyond shrinking its filesystem so that there was space for > Linux. > > Also note that the wireless card for this uses the r8822be module, and > that module is in "staging", so it may not be obvious where to look for > the darn thing. Despite being in staging, the module has worked fine for > me so far. Wired Ethernet, USB, keyboard, and mouse are all fine as-is. > Now I just have to wait for KDE to finish building, and things should be > just fine. > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Sun Jun 16 13:54:24 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:54:24 -0700 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part of the filename. -Eric From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. > On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: > > what are they called. What do they look like? > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen > wrote: > Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. > > >> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael > wrote: >> >> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: >> >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >> >> Would someone help me fix this? >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shawn at badger.pro Mon Jun 17 19:40:07 2019 From: shawn at badger.pro (Shawn Badger) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:40:07 -0700 Subject: pfSense and Netgate: was New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: <20190615023442.7a5f15a6@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

<20190615023442.7a5f15a6@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: I have been using them for a while and I even have a support contract but I am nervous about this as well. After some deeper conversations with a sales person there who insisted "everyone is stealing their software" I informed them that the only reason I was using their system was because I was able to use it before I bought it and that it was open source. I really don't think that person understood the OSS concept at all. That being said, i have never had any issues calling their tech support and getting help on any issues I have come across regardless of if it was a bug or self imposed. I still recommend them for now, but if they start to crack down beyond the stupid warning I will be jumping ship and they will loose my business. This is just my 2 cents though. On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:22 AM Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 > Michael Butash wrote: > > > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 > > purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of > > expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared > > that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all > > features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. > > While we're on the subject, I've used pfSense for over a decade and > recently upgraded at least two versions. The new version has all sorts > of admonitions that you can't sell pfSense because it belongs to > Netgate, and if you bought it from Netgate you have to do this and > that, and you can't use their trademark, and go to this page to buy it, > blah blah blah blah blah. I've been totally satisfied with pfSense for > over a decade, but am now considering moving to a straight OpenBSD/pf > setup, or pfSense's competitor OPNsense, or even switch to a Linux > firewall with IPTables, which I've always thought to be a multi-acre > field of sharply thorned brambles. > > Anyone else getting jittery about pfSense? > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmike1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 02:16:23 2019 From: bmike1 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:16:23 -0400 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: <2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> Message-ID: I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen wrote: > They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part > of the filename. > > -Eric > From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. > > On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: > > what are they called. What do they look like? > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your >> /var somewhere. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >> issues dept. >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >> >> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what >> transpired: >> >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >> >> Would someone help me fix this? >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Tue Jun 18 05:58:04 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 05:58:04 -0700 Subject: pfSense and Netgate: was New Nginx documentation for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <20190613215522.1d517fe3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

<20190615023442.7a5f15a6@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <864CCA7C-3953-4A78-9454-D0F0E22C85A1@icloud.com> Well, Given the problems now being made apparent at F5/Netgate, it’s time to jump ship and start using OpenBSD and the PF firewall system. Btw, I have been using OpenBSD for a better part of 15 years and so far, my home lan has been well protected (except by the stupidity of the other appliance users here in the house). As for my own systems, I am on a separate subnet from the others and have made damned sure that my systems are malware free and fully firewall. Btw, I have used Linux OS boxes before as firewalls with some success (and a small bit of trouble too). The last Linux OS box I used got rooted about 2 months into it’s being strictly a firewall. I set that box aside for later analysis and went back to using the OpenBSD unit as the primary firewall. Since you are already familiar with PF Sense, it just makes sense to return to OpenBSD for fireballing your systems. I am thinking I need a serious upgrade in equipment soon. The old machine I am using for the firewall is about 12 years old and is getting long in the tooth. It’s performance isn’t exactly up to snuff when compared to more modern dedicated router hardware. These days, I am looking at the possibility of using a core i7 machine with 4 cores (don’t need any more than that), sufficient memory (about 4 GB) and a number of better quality Lan Cards and at least 3 Wi-Fi cards (with removable antennas) Between the cost of the machine and additional hardware, it’s almost as expensive as one of the top quality Cisco units, but with more capabilities. Last item on my agenda here at the house other than upgrading the old openbsd machine for a new one, upgrading the lan cable to cat 6+ and then trying to get power over ethernet setup as well. In any case, I have a lot of work I am planning and might need some help sourcing equipment at the cheapest possible cost (my budget is very slim these days.) -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Infrastructure support and development Dept. > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Shawn Badger wrote: > > I have been using them for a while and I even have a support contract but I am nervous about this as well. After some deeper conversations with a sales person there who insisted "everyone is stealing their software" I informed them that the only reason I was using their system was because I was able to use it before I bought it and that it was open source. I really don't think that person understood the OSS concept at all. That being said, i have never had any issues calling their tech support and getting help on any issues I have come across regardless of if it was a bug or self imposed. I still recommend them for now, but if they start to crack down beyond the stupid warning I will be jumping ship and they will loose my business. This is just my 2 cents though. > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:22 AM Steve Litt > wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 > Michael Butash > wrote: > > > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 > > purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of > > expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared > > that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all > > features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. > > While we're on the subject, I've used pfSense for over a decade and > recently upgraded at least two versions. The new version has all sorts > of admonitions that you can't sell pfSense because it belongs to > Netgate, and if you bought it from Netgate you have to do this and > that, and you can't use their trademark, and go to this page to buy it, > blah blah blah blah blah. I've been totally satisfied with pfSense for > over a decade, but am now considering moving to a straight OpenBSD/pf > setup, or pfSense's competitor OPNsense, or even switch to a Linux > firewall with IPTables, which I've always thought to be a multi-acre > field of sharply thorned brambles. > > Anyone else getting jittery about pfSense? > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Tue Jun 18 06:09:39 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 06:09:39 -0700 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael wrote: > > I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen > wrote: > They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part of the filename. > > -Eric > From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. > >> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael > wrote: >> >> what are they called. What do they look like? >> >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen > wrote: >> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. >> >> >>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael > wrote: >>> >>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: >>> >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>> >>> Would someone help me fix this? >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmike1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 06:11:05 2019 From: bmike1 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:11:05 -0400 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> Message-ID: now it seems youtube sound isn't working. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel > version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael wrote: > > I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part >> of the filename. >> >> -Eric >> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. >> >> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: >> >> what are they called. What do they look like? >> >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in >>> your /var somewhere. >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >>> issues dept. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >>> >>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what >>> transpired: >>> >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>> >>> Would someone help me fix this? >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Tue Jun 18 06:15:02 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 06:15:02 -0700 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> Message-ID: <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want to work. Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for sound playback of streaming content? -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. > On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael wrote: > > now it seems youtube sound isn't working. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: > Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. > > >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael > wrote: >> >> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >> >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen > wrote: >> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part of the filename. >> >> -Eric >> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. >> >>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael > wrote: >>> >>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen > wrote: >>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael > wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: >>>> >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>> >>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>> -- >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmike1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 06:20:35 2019 From: bmike1 at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:20:35 -0400 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> Message-ID: I'm using chrome but I tried with firefox as well and the sound doesn't work with it either. As for extensions or plugins I never needed them before. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:15 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work > (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want > to work. > > Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it > usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser > you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for > sound playback of streaming content? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael wrote: > > now it seems youtube sound isn't working. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel >> version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. >> >> >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael wrote: >> >> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >> >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as >>> part of the filename. >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. >>> >>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: >>> >>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in >>>> your /var somewhere. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >>>> issues dept. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what >>>> transpired: >>>> >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>> >>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>> -- >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5334E7A8-1651-4B68-B375-80C7D0CC5D01@icloud.com> Hmmmmm. Ok. So, 2 separate browsers, both display the same issue with sound playback. Well, lets see. 1. Permissions settings for the sound device? 2. Both Browsers part of your user group? Or group assigned to sound device? 3. Both browsers need updating? 4. Codec issues (mp3 audio not supported)? Btw, I just did a duckduckgo.com search for the terms “Linux OS no sound in Chrome or Firefox”. Some of the results are old, but may bear fruit in your case. Btw, I think VLC has a plugin that will work with either browser that can handle codecs and playback media that might not work natively in either of those browsers. Also, have you tried other sites than just Youtube for video/audio playback? If so, does the same issue present there as well? Try playing one of the videos from anime9.com or one of the other movie/tv/multimedia sites. If you get sound there, then it’s clearly an issue dealing with youtube and their handling of the audio portion of the video content. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Multimedia Support Desk > On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Michael wrote: > > I'm using chrome but I tried with firefox as well and the sound doesn't work with it either. As for extensions or plugins I never needed them before. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:15 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: > Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want to work. > > Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for sound playback of streaming content? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. > > >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael > wrote: >> >> now it seems youtube sound isn't working. >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: >> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. >> >> >>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael > wrote: >>> >>> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen > wrote: >>> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part of the filename. >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. >>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael > wrote: >>>> >>>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen > wrote: >>>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: >>>>> >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>>> >>>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>>> -- >>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> <5334E7A8-1651-4B68-B375-80C7D0CC5D01@icloud.com> Message-ID: cbs.com doesn't sound either. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:56 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > Hmmmmm. Ok. > > So, 2 separate browsers, both display the same issue with sound playback. > > Well, lets see. > 1. Permissions settings for the sound device? > 2. Both Browsers part of your user group? Or group assigned to sound > device? > 3. Both browsers need updating? > 4. Codec issues (mp3 audio not supported)? > > Btw, I just did a duckduckgo.com search for the terms “Linux OS no sound > in Chrome or Firefox”. Some of the results are old, but may bear fruit in > your case. > > Btw, I think VLC has a plugin that will work with either browser that can > handle codecs and playback media that might not work natively in either of > those browsers. Also, have you tried other sites than just Youtube for > video/audio playback? If so, does the same issue present there as well? Try > playing one of the videos from anime9.com or one of the other > movie/tv/multimedia sites. If you get sound there, then it’s clearly an > issue dealing with youtube and their handling of the audio portion of the > video content. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Multimedia Support Desk > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Michael wrote: > > I'm using chrome but I tried with firefox as well and the sound doesn't > work with it either. As for extensions or plugins I never needed them > before. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:15 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work >> (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want >> to work. >> >> Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it >> usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser >> you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for >> sound playback of streaming content? >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. >> >> >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael wrote: >> >> now it seems youtube sound isn't working. >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel >>> version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management >>> Dept. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael wrote: >>> >>> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as >>>> part of the filename. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items >>>> dept. >>>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: >>>> >>>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in >>>>> your /var somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >>>>> issues dept. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at >>>>> what transpired: >>>>> >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>>> >>>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>>> -- >>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric.oyen at icloud.com Tue Jun 18 08:13:15 2019 From: eric.oyen at icloud.com (Eric Oyen) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:13:15 -0700 Subject: sound stopped working In-Reply-To: References:

<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> <5334E7A8-1651-4B68-B375-80C7D0CC5D01@icloud.com> Message-ID: <67B1038F-0F59-4781-9C30-1E3DBCF8DBB4@icloud.com> Ok, This is going to require a bit more research. Btw, what sound system are you using in Linux? -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Research and Development Division. > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Michael wrote: > > cbs.com doesn't sound either. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:56 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: > Hmmmmm. Ok. > > So, 2 separate browsers, both display the same issue with sound playback. > > Well, lets see. > 1. Permissions settings for the sound device? > 2. Both Browsers part of your user group? Or group assigned to sound device? > 3. Both browsers need updating? > 4. Codec issues (mp3 audio not supported)? > > Btw, I just did a duckduckgo.com search for the terms “Linux OS no sound in Chrome or Firefox”. Some of the results are old, but may bear fruit in your case. > > Btw, I think VLC has a plugin that will work with either browser that can handle codecs and playback media that might not work natively in either of those browsers. Also, have you tried other sites than just Youtube for video/audio playback? If so, does the same issue present there as well? Try playing one of the videos from anime9.com or one of the other movie/tv/multimedia sites. If you get sound there, then it’s clearly an issue dealing with youtube and their handling of the audio portion of the video content. > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Multimedia Support Desk > >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Michael > wrote: >> >> I'm using chrome but I tried with firefox as well and the sound doesn't work with it either. As for extensions or plugins I never needed them before. >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:15 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: >> Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want to work. >> >> Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for sound playback of streaming content? >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. >> >> >>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael > wrote: >>> >>> now it seems youtube sound isn't working. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen > wrote: >>> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check kernel version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management Dept. >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael > wrote: >>>> >>>> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen > wrote: >>>> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as part of the filename. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items dept. >>>> >>>>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen > wrote: >>>>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in your /var somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support issues dept. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at what transpired: >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>>>> >>>>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> -- >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<2FF4ADCE-869E-4AB6-81D7-CC74489086EE@icloud.com> <6618DDAA-866D-464F-9C58-71999C27BB51@icloud.com> <257FF7F4-17E1-416B-A16C-5B5BF43D9203@icloud.com> <5334E7A8-1651-4B68-B375-80C7D0CC5D01@icloud.com> <67B1038F-0F59-4781-9C30-1E3DBCF8DBB4@icloud.com> Message-ID: the one that comes with Mint. Not trying to be a wise guy. I just don't know for sure. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:13 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > Ok, > This is going to require a bit more research. > > Btw, what sound system are you using in Linux? > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Research and Development > Division. > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Michael wrote: > > cbs.com doesn't sound either. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:56 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Hmmmmm. Ok. >> >> So, 2 separate browsers, both display the same issue with sound playback. >> >> Well, lets see. >> 1. Permissions settings for the sound device? >> 2. Both Browsers part of your user group? Or group assigned to sound >> device? >> 3. Both browsers need updating? >> 4. Codec issues (mp3 audio not supported)? >> >> Btw, I just did a duckduckgo.com search for the terms “Linux OS no sound >> in Chrome or Firefox”. Some of the results are old, but may bear fruit in >> your case. >> >> Btw, I think VLC has a plugin that will work with either browser that can >> handle codecs and playback media that might not work natively in either of >> those browsers. Also, have you tried other sites than just Youtube for >> video/audio playback? If so, does the same issue present there as well? Try >> playing one of the videos from anime9.com or one of the other >> movie/tv/multimedia sites. If you get sound there, then it’s clearly an >> issue dealing with youtube and their handling of the audio portion of the >> video content. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Multimedia Support Desk >> >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Michael wrote: >> >> I'm using chrome but I tried with firefox as well and the sound doesn't >> work with it either. As for extensions or plugins I never needed them >> before. >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:15 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> Ok, this is getting ridiculous. First system sounds don’t want to work >>> (turns out to be a kernel version issue) and now Youtube sound doesn’t want >>> to work. >>> >>> Well, considering I had similar issues with youtube in the past, it >>> usually turns out to be some browser or plugin issue. What is the browser >>> you are using and are there any plugins or extensions that are needed for >>> sound playback of streaming content? >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Support services Dept. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Michael wrote: >>> >>> now it seems youtube sound isn't working. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:09 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> Ooooooops! That will definitely do it as well. Mental note, check >>>> kernel version if lock file issue doesn’t pan out. :) >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Systems management >>>> Dept. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Michael wrote: >>>> >>>> I solved it.... I am running an earlier kernel. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 4:54 PM Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are usually named after the process and also contain the PID as >>>>> part of the filename. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, interesting items >>>>> dept. >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>> what are they called. What do they look like? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 10:13 Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Check for a lock file. There is probably one still hanging around in >>>>>> your /var somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical support >>>>>> issues dept. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember running pulseaudio once and that fixed it but when >>>>>> i ran it this time it complained about it already running. Look at >>>>>> what transpired: >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>>> 2723 ? 00:00:08 pulseaudio >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ kill 2723 >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ pulseaudio >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. >>>>>> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. >>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast:~$ ps -e |grep pulse >>>>>> 7063 ? 00:00:03 pulseaudio >>>>>> >>>>>> Would someone help me fix this? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<20190615023442.7a5f15a6@mydesk.domain.cxm> <864CCA7C-3953-4A78-9454-D0F0E22C85A1@icloud.com> Message-ID: Having watched companies go through acquisition for 20 years, seeing the before/after of each, something like big fish eating little fish always scares me. HP, Oracle, Microsoft, Cisco, Google, and many others all love to buy companies, bleed them dry of their IP, forget about the core product they bought, and later divest themselves of it after they've screwed it up irreconcilably. Anyone remember the last time F5 bought a software load-balancing company LineRate? Didn't think so. Has anyone heard of F5 sales ever selling anything other than F5 appliances, either hardware or software? Nope, and I don't expect that to change after the nginx acquisition. So what will come of it? Probably as Stephen mentioned, it'll get forked as something not-F5, or simply users will move to something else once it's in a death spiral itself. I just have learned not to expect much of a company like Cisco, HP, or F5 ever buying anything remotely open and keeping it as such. I just usually imagine a death knell and a date of expiration at hand. -mb On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:58 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > Well, > Given the problems now being made apparent at F5/Netgate, it’s time to > jump ship and start using OpenBSD and the PF firewall system. Btw, I have > been using OpenBSD for a better part of 15 years and so far, my home lan > has been well protected (except by the stupidity of the other appliance > users here in the house). As for my own systems, I am on a separate subnet > from the others and have made damned sure that my systems are malware free > and fully firewall. > > Btw, I have used Linux OS boxes before as firewalls with some success (and > a small bit of trouble too). The last Linux OS box I used got rooted about > 2 months into it’s being strictly a firewall. I set that box aside for > later analysis and went back to using the OpenBSD unit as the primary > firewall. > > Since you are already familiar with PF Sense, it just makes sense to > return to OpenBSD for fireballing your systems. > > I am thinking I need a serious upgrade in equipment soon. The old machine > I am using for the firewall is about 12 years old and is getting long in > the tooth. It’s performance isn’t exactly up to snuff when compared to more > modern dedicated router hardware. These days, I am looking at the > possibility of using a core i7 machine with 4 cores (don’t need any more > than that), sufficient memory (about 4 GB) and a number of better quality > Lan Cards and at least 3 Wi-Fi cards (with removable antennas) Between the > cost of the machine and additional hardware, it’s almost as expensive as > one of the top quality Cisco units, but with more capabilities. > > Last item on my agenda here at the house other than upgrading the old > openbsd machine for a new one, upgrading the lan cable to cat 6+ and then > trying to get power over ethernet setup as well. > > In any case, I have a lot of work I am planning and might need some help > sourcing equipment at the cheapest possible cost (my budget is very slim > these days.) > > -Eric > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Infrastructure support > and development Dept. > > On Jun 17, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Shawn Badger wrote: > > I have been using them for a while and I even have a support contract but > I am nervous about this as well. After some deeper conversations with a > sales person there who insisted "everyone is stealing their software" I > informed them that the only reason I was using their system was because I > was able to use it before I bought it and that it was open source. I really > don't think that person understood the OSS concept at all. That being > said, i have never had any issues calling their tech support and getting > help on any issues I have come across regardless of if it was a bug or self > imposed. I still recommend them for now, but if they start to crack down > beyond the stupid warning I will be jumping ship and they will loose my > business. This is just my 2 cents though. > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:22 AM Steve Litt > wrote: > >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:31:08 -0700 >> Michael Butash wrote: >> >> > Sort of off-topic, but curious our nginx user's thoughts on F5 >> > purchasing them now. I have customers that use nginx in place of >> > expensive adc/load-balancer products, like F5, and are now scared >> > that F5 is going to ruin it, or at least start charging for any/all >> > features as steeply as they do their mainstream appliance products. >> >> While we're on the subject, I've used pfSense for over a decade and >> recently upgraded at least two versions. The new version has all sorts >> of admonitions that you can't sell pfSense because it belongs to >> Netgate, and if you bought it from Netgate you have to do this and >> that, and you can't use their trademark, and go to this page to buy it, >> blah blah blah blah blah. I've been totally satisfied with pfSense for >> over a decade, but am now considering moving to a straight OpenBSD/pf >> setup, or pfSense's competitor OPNsense, or even switch to a Linux >> firewall with IPTables, which I've always thought to be a multi-acre >> field of sharply thorned brambles. >> >> Anyone else getting jittery about pfSense? >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> June 2019 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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