computer slow
Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 31 02:56:22 MST 2017
Sorry to say but yes it is.
$ lscpu
Architecture: x86_64
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order: Little Endian
CPU(s): 4
On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3
Thread(s) per core: 1
Core(s) per socket: 4
Socket(s): 1
NUMA node(s): 1
Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
CPU family: 16
Model: 5
Model name: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Stepping: 2
CPU MHz: 1400.000
CPU max MHz: 2600.0000
CPU min MHz: 800.0000
BogoMIPS: 5223.39
Virtualization: AMD-V
L1d cache: 64K
L1i cache: 64K
L2 cache: 512K
NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0-3
Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt
pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc
extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic
cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt
hw_pstate vmmcall npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save
After looking further into this I found something <below>. Do you think I
should compile it?
Date Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:15:23 +0100
>From Clemens Ladisch <>
Subject [PATCH] k10temp: temperature sensor for AMD Family 10h/11h CPUs
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This adds a driver for the internal temperature sensor of AMD Family 10h
and 11h CPUs.
Signed-off-by: Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
---
Documentation/hwmon/k10temp | 54 +++++++++++++++++
drivers/hwmon/Kconfig | 12 +++
drivers/hwmon/Makefile | 1
drivers/hwmon/k10temp.c | 135 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
4 files changed, 202 insertions(+)
--- /dev/null
+++ linux-2.6/Documentation/hwmon/k10temp
@@ -0,0 +1,54 @@
+Kernel driver k10temp
+=====================
+
+Supported chips:
+* AMD Family 10h processors:
+ Socket F: Quad-Core/Six-Core/Embedded AMD Opteron
+ Socket AM2+: Phenom II X3/X4
+ Socket AM3: Quad-Core Opteron, Athlon/Phenom II X2/X3/X4, Sempron II
+ mobile: Athlon II, Sempron, Turion II
+
+ Prefix: 'k10temp'
+ Addresses scanned: PCI space
+ Datasheets: see http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/
+ #31116: BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide For AMD Family 10h Processors
+ #41322: Revision Guide for AMD Family 10h Processors
+
+* AMD Family 11h processors:
+ mobile: Athlon (X2), Sempron (X2), Turion X2 (Ultra)
+
+ Prefix: 'k10temp'
+ Addresses scanned: PCI space
+ Datasheets: see http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/
+ #41256: BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide For AMD Family 11h Processors
+ #41788: Revision Guide for AMD Family 11h Processors
+
+Author: Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
+
+Description
+-----------
+
+This driver permits reading of the internal temperature sensor of AMD
+Family 10h and 11h processors.
+
+All these processors have a sensor, but on older revisions of Family 10h
+processors, the sensor returns inconsistent values (erratum 319). The driver
+refuses to load with these revisions (DR-BA, DR-B2, DR-B3: some Embedded
+Opterons on Socket F; and Quad-Core Opteron, Phenom Triple/Quad-Core, and
+Athon Dual-Core on Socket AM2+). All later revisions (RB-C2, BL-C2, DA-C2,
+RB-C3, HY-D0) work fine; see the list above.
+
+There is one temperature value, available as temp1_input in sysfs. It is
+measured in degrees Celsius with a resolution of 1/8th degree. Please note
+that it is defined as a relative value; to quote the AMD manual:
+
+ Tctl is the processor temperatur control value, used by the platform to
+ control cooling systems. Tctl is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary
+ scale measured in degrees. It does _not_ represent an actual physical
+ temperature like die or case temperature. Instead, it specifies the
+ processor temperature relative to the point at which the system must supply
+ the maximum cooling for the processor's specified maximum case temperature
+ and maximum thermal power dissipation.
+
+The maximum value for Tctl is usually defined as 70 degrees, so, as a rule of
+thumb, this value should not exceed 60 degrees.
--- linux-2.6/drivers/hwmon/Kconfig
+++ linux-2.6/drivers/hwmon/Kconfig
@@ -222,6 +222,18 @@ config SENSORS_K8TEMP
This driver can also be built as a module. If so, the module
will be called k8temp.
+config SENSORS_K10TEMP
+ tristate "AMD Phenom/Sempron/Turion/Opteron temperature sensor"
+ depends on X86 && PCI
+ help
+ If you say yes here you get support for the temperature
+ sensor inside your CPU. Supported are later revisions of
+ the AMD Family 10h and all revisions of the AMD Family 11h
+ microarchitectures.
+
+ This driver can also be built as a module. If so, the module
+ will be called k10temp.
+
config SENSORS_AMS
tristate "Apple Motion Sensor driver"
depends on PPC_PMAC && !PPC64 && INPUT && ((ADB_PMU && I2C = y) ||
(ADB_PMU && !I2C) || I2C) && EXPERIMENTAL
--- linux-2.6/drivers/hwmon/Makefile
+++ linux-2.6/drivers/hwmon/Makefile
@@ -53,6 +53,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_IBMAEM) += ibmaem.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_IBMPEX) += ibmpex.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87) += it87.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_K8TEMP) += k8temp.o
+obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP) += k10temp.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_LIS3LV02D) += lis3lv02d.o hp_accel.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_LIS3_SPI) += lis3lv02d.o lis3lv02d_spi.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SENSORS_LM63) += lm63.o
--- /dev/null
+++ linux-2.6/drivers/hwmon/k10temp.c
@@ -0,0 +1,135 @@
+/*
+ * k10temp.c - AMD Family 10h/11h CPUs hardware monitoring
+ *
+ * Copyright (c) 2009 Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>
+ *
+ *
+ * This driver is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
+ * modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License; either
+ * version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
+ *
+ * This driver is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
+ * but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
+ * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
+ * See the GNU General Public License for more details.
+ *
+ * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
+ * along with this driver; if not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
+ */
+
+#include <linux/err.h>
+#include <linux/hwmon.h>
+#include <linux/hwmon-sysfs.h>
+#include <linux/init.h>
+#include <linux/module.h>
+#include <linux/pci.h>
+#include <asm/processor.h>
+
+MODULE_DESCRIPTION("AMD Family 10h/11h CPU core temperature monitor");
+MODULE_AUTHOR("Clemens Ladisch <clemens at ladisch.de>");
+MODULE_LICENSE("GPL");
+
+#define REG_REPORTED_TEMPERATURE 0xa4
+#define CURTMP_TO_MILLIDEGREES(regval) (((regval) >> 21) * 125)
+
+static ssize_t show_temp(struct device *dev,
+ struct device_attribute *attr, char *buf)
+{
+ u32 regval;
+
+ pci_read_config_dword(to_pci_dev(dev),
+ REG_REPORTED_TEMPERATURE, ®val);
+ return sprintf(buf, "%u\n", CURTMP_TO_MILLIDEGREES(regval));
+}
+
+static ssize_t show_name(struct device *dev,
+ struct device_attribute *attr, char *buf)
+{
+ return sprintf(buf, "k10temp\n");
+}
+
+static SENSOR_DEVICE_ATTR(temp1_input, S_IRUGO, show_temp, NULL, 0);
+static DEVICE_ATTR(name, S_IRUGO, show_name, NULL);
+
+static bool __devinit has_erratum_319(void)
+{
+ /*
+ * Erratum 319: The thermal sensor of older Family 10h processors
+ * (B steppings) is unreliable.
+ */
+ return boot_cpu_data.x86 == 0x10 && boot_cpu_data.x86_model <= 2;
+}
+
+static int __devinit k10temp_probe(struct pci_dev *pdev,
+ const struct pci_device_id *id)
+{
+ struct device *hwmon_dev;
+ int err;
+
+ if (has_erratum_319()) {
+ dev_err(&pdev->dev,
+ "unreliable CPU thermal sensor; monitoring disabled\n");
+ err = -ENODEV;
+ goto exit;
+ }
+
+ err = device_create_file(&pdev->dev,
+ &sensor_dev_attr_temp1_input.dev_attr);
+ if (err)
+ goto exit;
+
+ err = device_create_file(&pdev->dev, &dev_attr_name);
+ if (err)
+ goto exit_remove1;
+
+ hwmon_dev = hwmon_device_register(&pdev->dev);
+ if (IS_ERR(hwmon_dev)) {
+ err = PTR_ERR(hwmon_dev);
+ goto exit_remove2;
+ }
+
+ dev_set_drvdata(&pdev->dev, hwmon_dev);
+ return 0;
+
+exit_remove2:
+ device_remove_file(&pdev->dev, &dev_attr_name);
+exit_remove1:
+ device_remove_file(&pdev->dev, &sensor_dev_attr_temp1_input.dev_attr);
+exit:
+ return err;
+}
+
+static void __devexit k10temp_remove(struct pci_dev *pdev)
+{
+ hwmon_device_unregister(dev_get_drvdata(&pdev->dev));
+ device_remove_file(&pdev->dev, &dev_attr_name);
+ device_remove_file(&pdev->dev, &sensor_dev_attr_temp1_input.dev_attr);
+ dev_set_drvdata(&pdev->dev, NULL);
+}
+
+static struct pci_device_id k10temp_id_table[] = {
+ { PCI_VDEVICE(AMD, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_10H_NB_MISC) },
+ { PCI_VDEVICE(AMD, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_11H_NB_MISC) },
+ {}
+};
+MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, k10temp_id_table);
+
+static struct pci_driver k10temp_driver = {
+ .name = "k10temp",
+ .id_table = k10temp_id_table,
+ .probe = k10temp_probe,
+ .remove = __devexit_p(k10temp_remove),
+};
+
+static int __init k10temp_init(void)
+{
+ return pci_register_driver(&k10temp_driver);
+}
+
+static void __exit k10temp_exit(void)
+{
+ pci_unregister_driver(&k10temp_driver);
+}
+
+module_init(k10temp_init)
+module_exit(k10temp_exit)
-
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, do you have an AMD cpu? The sensors output does not seem to
> include the CPU, and I read it is hard to get them from AMD cpus. So, your
> numbers might be a lot higher than what you see there.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should
>> make it crash sooner and the audio will also make it not go to sleep....
>> While i sleep.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste
>>> the stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command
>>> to execute).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> final reading:
>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took
>>>>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new
>>>>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +71.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>>>
>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>
>>>>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we crash it!
>>>>> See you on the other side!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean
>>>>>>>> some cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and
>>>>>>>> tried to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second
>>>>>>>>> intervals (if it helps):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just
>>>>>>>>>> before a crash
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not
>>>>>>>>>>> feasible!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount of time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature so the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 128M --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering. it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carruth at smarth.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rusty.carruth at smarth.com>* |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.smarth.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: linkedin]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/12955027/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: twitter]
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options, or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricks I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weird but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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