Domain Name / Hosting

Wed Mar 23 07:11:51 MST 2016

Around 2006 I saw a picture of iPower's data center in LA and they had 
lots of consumer grade boxes on shelves that they were selling as stand 
alone hardware servers.  I could write a book about what I saw and 
experienced at both GoDaddy and iPower, both tech and HR.

The thing that is missing with all these VPS offerings is mail servers.  
We need inexpensive mailboxes.  I do not want to run a mail server and 
have not found an affordable vendor (that also offers decent VPS). I 
have several websites and would like to put them up on a VPS (with ssd), 
let them do the DNS, which DigitalOcean does and have the ability to buy 
mail boxes at $2/ea.  Rack space want you to buy at least 5 boxes per 
domain.  That adds $10/mo for each domain.  I only need one or two email 
boxes for each domain.

On 2016-03-22 19:52, Sesso wrote:
> Yeah it was a long time ago. I worked there in, I wanna say 2006ish. I
> left shortly after working there for a year.
> 
> Jason
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:03 PM, James Dugger <james.dugger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm a developer working at GoDaddy on one of those shared hosting
>> platform teams. Haven't seen any "PC's on bakers racks" Those must
>> be a thing of the past . I do see Dell PowerEdge rack servers "fully
>> pluggable". We don't buy servers in single quantities, we buy whole
>> preconfigured 42U racks at time. The racks are shipped directly to
>> our datacenters, in AZ, East Coast US, Europe, and Asia.
>> 
>> Our cloud offering just went live yesterday at prices comparable to
>> DigitalOcean. We are partnering with Bitnami for packaged server
>> builds and this cloud is connected to our domain services. See
>> reviews below.
>> 
>> http://www.techmeme.com/160321/p6#a160321p6 [2]
>> 
>> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/21/godaddy-debuts-aws-style-servers-and-apps-to-build-test-and-scale-cloud-services/
>> [3]
>> 
>> Somethings can be more important than just cheap, like uptime and
>> speed. GoDaddy ranks in the top 3 or 4 of the fastest providers for
>> products both on Windows and Linux platforms.
>> 
>> 
> http://cloudspectator.com/web-host-providers-performance-ranking-a-six-month-summary/
>> [4]
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Sesso <sesso at djsesso.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> yeah I worked at godaddy when they had those little boxes. Yes,
>>> the industry has gone mostly virtual which is understandable.
>>> However, there are still clients that want actual hardware. I sell
>>> just as much hardware in my own business as I do Virtual. My day
>>> job sells about the same and we actually own our own datacenters.
>>> The clients that buy hardware are usually large companies that can
>>> afford it. You are right, many clients don’t need it but they
>>> want it lol. They are signing 3 year contracts on these servers
>>> also.
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Michael Butash
>>> <michael at butash.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That (simple/dumb customers), and most of their customer base
>>> being that really *does not need* dedicated services for what they
>>> are doing. It doesn't meet their business model, or technology
>>> models around that business when consumer cores are still 2-4 per
>>> cpu, and you're seeing 12-16 per socket, dual socket, and most can
>>> take 192-384gb of ram.
>>>> 
>>>> TLDR:
>>>> 
>>>> Most people probably have this delusion that a "dedicated
>>> server" is just that, a server, but the reality was GD's (and
>>> others like them) bare metal servers were just generic consumer
>>> Shuttle SFF pc boxes on bakers racks as far as the eye can see,
>>> which meant no IPMI, remote console (outside an os), absolutely
>>> nothing pluggable aside from usb, and rather a pain to deal with
>>> provisioning or maintenance-wise. When someone's system died, a
>>> kid in a dc got paged out to rip the box apart and troubleshoot
>>> them, which isn't easy on consumer gear. They were great when
>>> launched in ~2004 for cost/power/heat, and up until fairly recent
>>> still were, but proved ultimately unsustainable as any part that
>>> failed required some dc tech to perform surgery on a SFF case
>>> packed with parts, even raid cards, which is simply never fun. It
>>> also ends up costing far too much to maintain over time in total
>>> opex at scale.
>>>> 
>>>> Even then providing dedicated hardware was a challenge even
>>> looking at real (rack) servers then as an evolution, dealing with
>>> ipmi quirks, securing networking from root-access users locally
>>> (harder than one might think across various network hardware),
>>> that once handed off to the customer simply went out the window to
>>> keep them from shooting themselves in the foot like not backing up
>>> their own server or say, doing rm on root, or trying to arp
>>> poison/mitm the lan around them and drawing security ire.
>>>> 
>>>> Even if hardware were "dedicated", industry movement is to
>>> simply give a vm in dedicated hardware, adding a hypervisor shim
>>> for control-plane on hardware, at very least making inventory,
>>> provisioning, maintenance, and more importantly, network control
>>> at a raw hardware level easy. It also allows providers to bill for
>>> usage vs. blanket floodgates, so hey, if you want to pay for a
>>> whole server of 24 cores and 192gb of ram on a 10g link, they'll
>>> sell you the cycles/bandwidth for sure, and it'll be about the
>>> cost of 8 of those shuttles "dedicated" boxes.
>>>> 
>>>> For GD, they could also get rid of data centers full of odd
>>> bakers racks and dumpters full of old/odd/non-standard consumer
>>> Shuttle hardware, finally, to deal with standard rack server
>>> form-factor hardware built to maintain operationally.
>>>> 
>>>> VM's for hosting just make sense, anything dedicated will never
>>> be "cheap" out of pure reality it doesn't make sense to offer 2-4
>>> core hardware systems, or maintain them as stand-alone systems.
>>> Why everyone is a "cloud" suddenly years ago, GD was just late to
>>> the party.
>>>> 
>>>> -mb
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 03/22/2016 11:34 AM, Sesso wrote:
>>>>> I asked an employee about it and he said, "our clients are too
>>> dumb to realize that that aren't getting a bare metal server."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jason
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>> James
>> 
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> [3]
> http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/21/godaddy-debuts-aws-style-servers-and-apps-to-build-test-and-scale-cloud-services/
> [4]
> http://cloudspectator.com/web-host-providers-performance-ranking-a-six-month-summary/
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