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[Eric Oyen]

hmm.
that sounds like a bad situation all around. getting fired for not being able to do a job because the job couldn't be done due to a software breakage? that has all the earmarks of a n unjustifiable termination lawsuit to me.

anyway, it doesn't seem to matter what platform it is, there are issues with security updates that tend to break other things.

Now, I know there is a simple solution to this problem, but every time I try to put thought to paper (or E-paper in this case), I run into the devil in the details.

Now, one of the items I have noticed about OS X and it's ability to just work is this:
each application (which turns out to be an executable folder) contains not only the core application, but any libraries and other needed items to make it function. this means that the system doesn't have to manage those (unlike windows, where all the dynamically linked libraries are managed by the OS). THis method seems (I won't say that it does actually) to have far less breakages than windows (or even some more specialized apps in Linux). 

Unfortuately, there are just some security updates (at the kernel level) that will always end up breaking things elsewhere. To me, this sounds like increased testing and simulation are needed to weed out the bugs (oh wait! we have that! it's called the user base).

SOme of us, like me, just aren't coders (I have long since left that behind as there were just too many changes to try and keep up with) but we can still make decent testers.

anyway, it sounds to me like we need to adopt some of the apple method here. Instead of having system level libraries that handle the heavy lifting, that each app  have it all compiled in. This should cut down on a lot of issues, although it might introduce others.

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

> I've gotten to the point I don't update/reboot my os until I need to.  I tried to keep up with security patches, and ended up breaking my system every other week.  Usually because of crappy amd video drivers, but often far more obscure things would just sort of freak out with an update. My work laptop I update every 6 months it seems, but I never put it on a public (non-firewall/nat) network either.
> 
> This isn't exactly an ideal situation, and isn't pretty when it comes to linux, but the flip side is I don't have to deal with worse atrocities, such as windoze.
> 
> Case in point:  My roommate works for Amazon as a remote CS agent, and she will go days regularly with being unable to work, much for the same reason.  Why?  Windoze updated and broke all their custom, and commercial software.  Windoze 10 anniversary updates have apparently single-handedly broken all their apps, which forced her to buy a new pc just to not be fired after her weekend.  She logged in, and it told her they'd fix it in a week, mean time her clock is ticking to being fired.  Thanks Amazon and Microsoft, such wonderful companies.
> 
> My vitriol toward microsoft is not exactly unfounded imho.  Having dealt with the guts of it for 20 years now, seeing their blatant abuse and ignorance toward security, I know enough to simply avoid+mock it, and I'll happily take my knocks in something like linux vs. paying for the knocks adding insult to injury.  People that do use windoze and mac really don't seem to suffer any less, but they do get some shiny new video game or free music every week to distract them from hating life.
> 
> -mb
> 
> 
> On 08/25/2016 06:13 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
>> Thank you everyone for all your feedback.
>> 
>> At the Drupal Code Camp here in Phoenix a couple years ago all I saw was Macs. Developers seem to like Macs.  Maybe it has to do with having a Unix operating system that just works.
>> 
>> I'm not disparaging Linux. It just takes a lot of knowledge to run Linux as your desktop O/S.  I've done so for over 2 years and I really like Linux Mint.  I'm just at a point where I want to spend less time maintaining my computer and focus more on development.
>> 
>> Again thank you for all the feedback! 
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