no wedding band??

Sat Aug 29 11:07:51 MST 2015

oh yeah. Like I said, it starts with next to nothing. Its like the frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in boiling water and he immediately hops out. Place a frog in cool water and slowly bring up the heat, he is toast before he realizes that he is in trouble. Same thing here. All it will take is one government official making an assumption about Linux and the next thing we all know is that it would be illegal to download or use (and we could be arrested under the DMCA and the computer crimes act).

Honestly people, we need to nip this in the bud now. Our very civil liberties will be at stake when this happens (not IF, but when).

-eric

On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nathan England wrote:

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> Great points Eric. Consider also what will happen when the government gets burned by Ashley Maddison, or the next one. No doubt they will find out that the "hackers" were running linux. The server probably was too. That open source cancer.
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> (politicians will decry:)
> We need to protect the people. We need to remove the ability to boot alternative operating systems (secure boot) and all internet connected systems are running verified closed source operating systems.
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> They may even say that linux servers make it easier to "hack".
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> When will people wake up? Politics has nothing to do with technology or this group? Seriously? Politics has invaded every step of our lives.
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> Many of the people on this list are close friends and like to talk. Yet several are determined to keep their heads in the sand. Pathetic that we cannot talk and share all aspects of our lives without offending people. Just seems silly to me. We act like children all over again. No one is allowed to have opinions any more because they are offensive.
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> On 2015-08-29 08:26, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> in some ways, this is already happening. Take for example my DVD
>> collection. Given the terms of the DMCA, I am not allowed to play them
>> with vlc (an open source media player) because it breaks (cracks) the
>> CSS on those dvd's in order to play the content. THis also means I
>> can't make backups of said media and keep the originals in their
>> packages as archived originals.
>> THere is also the matter of e-books. Take for example the Kindle. THe
>> OS on it is open source (or at least the kernel is). However, the
>> books themselves are closed source format and the kindle will not read
>> allowed the text for me. Add to that another issue with the American
>> Authors guild. THey insist that I have to register with them before I
>> can have the right to access an e-book. Again, its the DMCA at work
>> (along with the content cartels). I have a right to be able to read
>> what I want in the method that best works for me (speech, braille,
>> accessible electronic text, etc.) and I am not being allowed to.
>> So, if you think this hasn't started happening in Linux, think again.
>> It's already here and it starts out as next to nothing. Its time for
>> those of us who have the knowledge to quit talking about the problem
>> and actually do something about it.
>> -eric (the other eric)
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
>>> I understand some do not like bringing politics into this list.  However it is all relevant.  I'm a LAMP developer.  I have deep concerns that the Federal Government will at some point start to regulate Open Source / Free Software.
>>> I've known Lyle for sometime and his heart is in the right place.
>>> This nation was birthed on freedom... And today a baby can be caused to be delivered prematurely and cut to pieces while it's heart is still beating. This is called abortion.
>>> I think these are discussions we need to have because it will soon be Linux they come after.  Then what?
>>> All it will take is for the likes of Bill Gates to grease the palms of a handful of politicians and the next thing you know you will only be able to boot M$.
>>> Didn't we see that with the law that says you cannot root your phone?  These types of things are the opposite of freedom.  We should have the freedom to buy whatever phone we want and buy minutes from any carrier.  Instead the Cellular providers influence politicians to pass laws that take away our freedom.  This is called crony capitalism.
>>> Crony capitalism may effect Open Source / Free Software at some point. A free and open market allows us to vote with our dollars.  That is not the system we have today.  We have a system where the wealthy and big business buy politicians and they pass laws that aid the wealthy and big business.  AND this is at our expense.
>>> I'm for freedom.  I do not care if you worship a pole or a cow, or nothing at all.  I do not care if you run M$, Apple, or Linux.  I do not care if you want to eat meat or abstain from meat. AND I hope you will allow me the same latitude.
>>> I personally support the least amount of law - just the minimum to protect the masses.
>>> Lyle is right here is a sleight of hand taking place.
>>> On 2015-08-29 06:16, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>>>> I really don't see how this is appropriate for a linux discussion
>>>> group.
>>>> Phil Waclawski
>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Lyle <l.tuttle at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Subject: Wedding ring is in for repair again this year...
>>>>> Just passing this on with no comment, interesting observation
>>>>> though....
>>>>> The Wedding ring is in for repair again this year. Since when does
>>>>> a plain wedding band need repairs, along with your watch, for a
>>>>> whole month? In a press conference last week Obama was not wearing
>>>>> his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch. When noticed, his
>>>>> staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given for the
>>>>> missing watch.
>>>>> So it's just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from wearing
>>>>> jewelry during the month of Ramadan...
>>>>> Can't possibly be that, because although he hasn't gone to a
>>>>> Christian church service since entering the White House, we know
>>>>> he's a committed Christian "cause he said so during his campaign"
>>>>> This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays in
>>>>> Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as president at the White
>>>>> House. His children do not receive Christmas presents. Let's just
>>>>> face the facts and quit trying to distort the truth, we have a
>>>>> Muslim for president in the White House, and he has no knowledge of
>>>>> American history.
>>>>> I love this country; it's the current government leadership I worry
>>>>> about!
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